 CSS and Firefox not talking |
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| Kifebear |
  Mar 6 2007, 06:16 PM
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Herei s the site I am working on:
http://www.maxwho.com/ What is happening is that in IE6 the left navigation in the gray bar, the text is indented a little bit. Using firefox, the text is up against the far left of the gray bar. This is the css code that is messing it up: .category ul li{ color:#333333; font-size:9pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none; list-style-image: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-position: inside; line-height:11pt; text-indent: 0px; } When I change the text-indent: 0px to 10px in firefox the text indents a little. In explorer, it pushes the gray box out 10 pixels. Argh! What the heck? Thank you to any brave soul who wants to help me figure this out.  |
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| Darin McGrew |
Mar 6 2007, 06:25 PM
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WDG Member Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,365 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Mountain View, CA Member No.: 3 |
I recommend that you start by fixing the HTML errors and the CSS errors reported by the online tools.
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| Kifebear |
Mar 6 2007, 06:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 29-September 06 Member No.: 284 |
Thank you for that advice, I will start there.
Looks like I have got a bit of work to do. |
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| Darin McGrew |
Mar 6 2007, 07:11 PM
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WDG Member Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,365 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Mountain View, CA Member No.: 3 |
I just realized that a lot of the HTML errors reported by the validator are caused by the doctype declaration coming after the <html> tag. The doctype declaration needs to be the first thing on the first line.
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| Kifebear |
Mar 6 2007, 07:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 29-September 06 Member No.: 284 |
I managed to clean up the css. But when I tried to take out the <html> before the Doctype things were out of line in firefox and in explorer my search box was stretched. Also my top right buttons moved over to the far right.
Where should I put the <html> if it isn't before the Doctype? Am I using the right Doctype? There are no longer errors showing up on the CSS validation but my links still go all the way to the left of the gray nav bar. Must be something with my html validation errors. On the html validation errors...What does it mean when it says "start tag was here"? Thanks again for all of your help! |
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| pandy |
Mar 6 2007, 08:23 PM
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🌟Computer says no🌟 Group: WDG Moderators Posts: 20,733 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 6 |
QUOTE(Kifebear @ Mar 7 2007, 01:34 AM)  Where should I put the <html> if it isn't before the Doctype? After the doctype. http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/structure.html#doc |
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| pandy |
Mar 6 2007, 08:29 PM
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🌟Computer says no🌟 Group: WDG Moderators Posts: 20,733 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 6 |
QUOTE(Kifebear @ Mar 7 2007, 01:34 AM) I managed to clean up the css. But when I tried to take out the <html> before the Doctype things were out of line in firefox and in explorer my search box was stretched. Also my top right buttons moved over to the far right. Browsers don't see your doctype where you've hidden it. They display your page in Quirks Mode, same as if you didn't use a doctype at all. When you correct that they go into Standards (or Almost Standards) Mode. http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/ |
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| Darin McGrew |
Mar 6 2007, 09:24 PM
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WDG Member Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,365 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Mountain View, CA Member No.: 3 |
FWIW, when I open the page in my browser, I get a series of security warnings:
QUOTE The server is using a short public encryption key, which is considered insecure. Since you provided an http:... URL rather than an https:... URL, I was confused. Then I noticed that you're using CODE <BASE HREF="https://maxwho.com/mm5/"> which makes all your relative URLs into https:... URLs. Is there a particular reason for this? It sure looks ugly to me, even ignoring issue of the short public encryption key. |
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| Kifebear |
Mar 7 2007, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(Darin McGrew @ Mar 6 2007, 09:24 PM) FWIW, when I open the page in my browser, I get a series of security warnings: QUOTE The server is using a short public encryption key, which is considered insecure. Since you provided an http:... URL rather than an https:... URL, I was confused. Then I noticed that you're using CODE <BASE HREF="https://maxwho.com/mm5/"> which makes all your relative URLs into https:... URLs. Is there a particular reason for this? It sure looks ugly to me, even ignoring issue of the short public encryption key.The reason for my https base href is because the rest of my site needed that. The rest of the website uses Miva Merchant which is difficult to make url's simple. Here is the index page in using the Miva Merchant https://maxwho.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=...mp;Store_Code=M. Would it help if I made the url's I changed the base href to http instead of https for that page, but I need to leave it https for the rest of the site using miva. Hopefully that looks better. |
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| Kifebear |
Mar 7 2007, 12:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 29-September 06 Member No.: 284 |
I changed the doctype to above the html and now it looks funky. If you look at http://www.maxwho.com in explorer... the search box is completely to the left and the buttons in the top gray bar are all the way to the right. In firefox, this page is a huge mess and I don't understand why. You can see that the content has completely left the screen. All the way to the right.
This is how the beginning of my index page looks: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <HEAD><TITLE>Maxwho.com</TITLE><meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us"><meta name="Author" content="Maxwho.com"><meta name="keywords" content="Electronics Accessories, Sansa MP3 players, MountMaster TV Mounts, Made For Sansa Accessories, Bluetooth Headsets, Playseat Racing Seats, Plantronics Bluetooth Headsets, Tekkeon Bluetooth Headsets, AudioBUG FM Transmitters and Accessories, Etymotic Earphones, Actiontec VoSKY, and SKYPE Phones."><meta name="description" content="Welcome to Maxwho.com! Your best source for portable accessories, electronics, and cables. We carry Plantronics, Tekkeon, AudioBUG, Etymotic, MountMaster TV Mounts, Made For Sansa Accessories, Bluetooth, Playseat, and Sansa MP3 players!"> <meta name="copyright" content="Copyright © 2007 Maxwho.com. All rights reserved."><BASE HREF="http://maxwho.com/mm5/"><link href="CSS/maxwhoCSS.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> <META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="ALL"> <link rel="Shortcut Icon" href="/maxwhofaviconM.ico"> Thanks for all of your help! |
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| Darin McGrew |
Mar 7 2007, 01:36 PM
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WDG Member Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,365 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Mountain View, CA Member No.: 3 |
Among the HTML errors reported by the online validator are some fairly significant structural problems with your layout tables.
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| Kifebear |
Mar 7 2007, 01:49 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 29-September 06 Member No.: 284 |
I do need to redo the html on this index page. I took over the website a little while ago and never went through to check the html.
But I still don't understand how these html errors are making my links in my gray nav go all the way to the left. And only in firefox. Everything is looking fine in Explorer, I just want my links to look like they do in explorer in firefox. It is going to take some time to fix the html and I was hoping for a quick fix for those silly links. I appreciate all of your help, and showing me the validator errors. Shows me what I really need to take some time to work on. |
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| Darin McGrew |
Mar 7 2007, 02:01 PM
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WDG Member Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,365 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Mountain View, CA Member No.: 3 |
QUOTE(Kifebear @ Mar 7 2007, 10:49 AM) But I still don't understand how these html errors are making my links in my gray nav go all the way to the left. And only in firefox. Everything is looking fine in Explorer, I just want my links to look like they do in explorer in firefox. The structure of your layout tables is broken. Different browsers will recover from this markup error in different ways. You can turn on borders to see what's going on in your layout tables in different browsers, but until you fix the structure, different browsers are still going to render your document differently. |
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| Kifebear |
Mar 7 2007, 02:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 29-September 06 Member No.: 284 |
ooooh, thats a bummer. So I need to just go through and redo this html. I don't know how the last person working on this website managed to get things the way they are so I have some time to take. Thank you for your help. Do you know a good resource for learning to build a website using CSS? I have heard that that is the best way to construct a website. I am thinking if this site is such a mess, then I should just start it over and start it off the right way.
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| Frederiek |
Mar 8 2007, 03:36 AM
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Programming Fanatic Group: Members Posts: 5,146 Joined: 23-August 06 From: Europe Member No.: 9 |
Lots of usefull CSS articles, references, tutorials and examples at http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training...design/css.html.
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| Darin McGrew |
Mar 8 2007, 10:16 AM
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WDG Member Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,365 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Mountain View, CA Member No.: 3 |
Please see the FAQ entry Where can I learn about CSS?
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