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NovaArgon
post Nov 30 2007, 12:21 AM
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:43 AM
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First I would fix the JavaScript error(s) on the front page. tongue.gif
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post Nov 30 2007, 01:21 AM
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I'd replace the images of text with real text. Or at the very least, put the text in the images' alt attributes.

And I'd put something on the welcome page to explain what the site is about.
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post Nov 30 2007, 01:37 AM
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And I'd put something on the welcome page to explain what the site is about.


Judging by the URL, I think I'd rather not know.
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post Nov 30 2007, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE(pandy @ Nov 30 2007, 12:43 AM) *

First I would fix the JavaScript error(s) on the front page. tongue.gif



Thanks Pandy!!!

I am trying to get javascript help from here http://www.theadminzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43607 and http://www.webmaster-talk.com/javascript-f...html#post502587

I am hoping to learn how to fix whats wrong with it shortly.



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I'd replace the images of text with real text. Or at the very least, put the text in the images' alt attributes.

And I'd put something on the welcome page to explain what the site is about.



I will add the alt description to the pics but let me ask you this. When i'm doing the alt thing thats just kinda link google juice right? Do I need to give a discription of my page on each pic or try and describe the image in a way that people who found it in a search would want to see it?

Also could you please give me an example of how the alt thing should look?

Thank you for all your help as you can see I need it sad.gif
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post Nov 30 2007, 02:18 AM
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It seems to be gone now. You know that you can turn debugging on in your browser, don't you? The debugger gives you some hints about what's wrong.
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post Nov 30 2007, 03:01 AM
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QUOTE(pandy @ Nov 30 2007, 02:18 AM) *

It seems to be gone now. You know that you can turn debugging on in your browser, don't you? The debugger gives you some hints about what's wrong.


Thanks for replying back so quickly

No I didn't know I could do that. Could you tell me how?


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- Get rid of outdatedd attributes, such as "bgcolor" and replace them with CSS such as "background-color" in a style-sheet rather than inline.


Do you have any idea how I go about doing this?

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- Get rid of your browser detection. You're detecting v3 browsers - who uses those these days? I was finished using those in 1999, so this code is at least 8 years old and *very* outdated.


When he says get ride of I am thinking he wants me to delete it but what do I put back in its place? I would like to have some idea what I can do to make my page work again once I delete all the old stuff off of it.




The rest of this I will work on as soon as I get this stuff off my plate.
can you help me?
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- Learn about "document.getElementById". Referring to images the way you are is no longer standard or considered cross-browser.

- Get rid of tables for layout. Learn about CSS. Tables for layout is also now considered very old-hat and bad practice, especially from an SEO / accessibility point of view.

- Move all of your inline styles into an external style sheet.

- Use correct HTML character entities for symbols such as the copyright sign. If you view your existing page in, say, Firefox / Win, it does not show up properly at the moment.

Of course, it'll will take time to work though this list... but if you do, you'll have a much better understanding of your own pages, how to fix them, and HTML & CSS in general.

Hope this helps,
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post Nov 30 2007, 03:12 AM
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QUOTE(NovaArgon @ Nov 29 2007, 10:54 PM) *
When i'm doing the alt thing thats just kinda link google juice right? Do I need to give a discription of my page on each pic or try and describe the image in a way that people who found it in a search would want to see it?
It's for any user agent that doesn't use the images. See ALT texts in IMG.

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Also could you please give me an example of how the alt thing should look?
For images of text, it's easy. Just use the text itself. For example:
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<img src="menuimages/about_off.gif" alt="Forums" ...>
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post Nov 30 2007, 03:22 AM
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QUOTE(NovaArgon @ Nov 30 2007, 09:01 AM) *

No I didn't know I could do that. Could you tell me how?


It's different in different browsers. In IE it at Internet Options | Advanced | Browsing . Disable Script Debugging (IE) should not be checked and Display a Notification About Every Error should be checked. IE's debugger is pretty terse. Mozilla's and Opera's are better. The situation in IE can be improved by installing the Microsoft Script Debugger though. It integrates with IE automatically.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=en
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post Nov 30 2007, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE(Darin McGrew @ Nov 30 2007, 03:12 AM) *

QUOTE(NovaArgon @ Nov 29 2007, 10:54 PM) *
When i'm doing the alt thing thats just kinda link google juice right? Do I need to give a discription of my page on each pic or try and describe the image in a way that people who found it in a search would want to see it?
It's for any user agent that doesn't use the images. See ALT texts in IMG.

QUOTE(NovaArgon @ Nov 29 2007, 10:54 PM) *
Also could you please give me an example of how the alt thing should look?
For images of text, it's easy. Just use the text itself. For example:
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<img src="menuimages/about_off.gif" alt="Forums" ...>



Thanks so much for replying so quickly i'll get started on that righ away
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post Nov 30 2007, 03:35 AM
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Thats better eh?

I didn't know that was how blind people used the net. Or just people with no images

Only down side is my images don't change on mouse over any more. i'm sure that will fix when I get a new script.

What else should I do?

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post Nov 30 2007, 03:51 AM
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QUOTE(NovaArgon @ Nov 30 2007, 12:35 AM) *
Only down side is my images don't change on mouse over any more.
That's because you deleted the name attributes the JavaScript requires. Or were they id attributes? No, they were probably name attributes, given that your browser-sniffing JavaScript is checking for such obsolete browsers.
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post Nov 30 2007, 04:06 AM
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Hmm i'f i'm going to switch to css or div latter do I even need to keep the tables?

I change to xhtml and now my doc type is wrong can you look at it?

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%...bose=1&st=1

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post Nov 30 2007, 04:11 AM
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The validator says it overrides your doctype IN THE PAGE with the one you CHOSE IN THE VALIDATION OPTIONS. Why on earth do you validate as XHTML?
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post Nov 30 2007, 04:14 AM
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Some one told me html was old code and they dont use it that much any more. He made it sound like xhtml was the new stuff that people were using.

Is that wrong? Like everyone I talk to says my tables have to go but no one is telling me what to replace them with something about div or css

I was going to worrie about that once I got the thing stable.

*Hugs* What do you think I should set it for?

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post Nov 30 2007, 04:46 AM
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As it's mostly used XHTML is nothing but a hack. It's served as text/html so browsers treat it as the same old tagsoup. If it were really served as XHTML, browsers are required to not display pages that has a certain type of errors. I venture to guess that 90% of the pages that proudly display an XHTML button now wouldn't even show up if the pages were served as XHTML. tongue.gif

For most purposes there's nothing you can do with XHTML that you can't do with HTML. Because of the above mentioned browser requirement, I'm not so sure XHTML is suited for the web at all. Can you imagine amazon.com going blank because some program has inserted a simple HTML error in the code?

Anyway, if you don't know what the difference between HTML and XHTML is, you should stick to HTML. When you've learnt more about it you will be able to decide for yourself. Don't listen to what people say is the latest and hottest. They just want to show off. You should know that a lot of people who were very excited about XHTML 5-6 years ago, have now reverted back to HTML.
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post Nov 30 2007, 05:17 AM
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*Smiles*

ok I can handle that

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%...bose=1&st=1

back to being valid.

I have my alt's correct what's my next step?
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post Nov 30 2007, 05:20 AM
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Congratulations. You are staring to like the validator, me thinks. smile.gif
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QUOTE(pandy @ Nov 30 2007, 05:20 AM) *

Congratulattions. You are staring to like the validator, me thinks. smile.gif


Haha I don't know if I would take it quit that far lol.

When I look at my editor the next thing thats showing red is in the java area. Do you know of a place that might be able to help me get it updated out of 1990? lol

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Huh? unsure.gif
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