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Brian Chandler
post Jun 25 2024, 03:17 AM
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Hello! Anyone still here??

I have the job of making a very basic page, reached from a QR code on the flyer for our upcoming concert, giving up to date info about the programme, and links to various things. For the moment, I just made an extremely basic page with no style or anything, just text: https://imaginatorium.org/ecco and tried looking at it on our phone (which I do not normally use). It's there, but is unreadably small. Since I haven't specified *anything* I guess that the default is no good. Is there a magic mantra which will make type appear by default at a readable size, and fit the screenwidth, etc etc, in other words work like a normal browser?
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post Jun 25 2024, 04:23 AM
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QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jun 25 2024, 09:17 AM) *


Hello! Anyone still here??



Yes, someone is often here.

For mobile usage this metatag...

CODE

<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width,height=device-height,initial-scale=1">

...is absolutely essential.

Example:
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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang=ja>
<head>
<meta charset="utf-8">
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width,height=device-height,initial-scale=1">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Brian's Brain, ver. 49">

<title>コール・エッコ第33回定期演奏会</title>
</head>

<body>

<div id=main>

<h1>コール・エッコ第33回定期演奏会</h1>

<p> これから、プログラムなど情報を載せます。ご期待下さい
</p>

<div id=chirashi>
    <a href="chirashi.png">
    <img src="https://imaginatorium.org/music/chirashi-thumb.png" alt="チラシ"><br>
    チラシを見る</a>
</div>

</div>

</body>
</html>



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post Jun 25 2024, 04:35 AM
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QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jun 25 2024, 10:17 AM) *

Hello! Anyone still here??

Yes!

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Is there a magic mantra which will make type appear by default at a readable size, and fit the screenwidth, etc etc, in other words work like a normal browser?

You could add

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<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width">

in the HEAD section, it should hopefully make page content use the available screen area more effectively.

EDIT: didn't see coothead's reply. Both variants should work, AFAIK. unsure.gif
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Brian Chandler
post Jun 25 2024, 12:01 PM
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Thanks (both)! Amazing, magic mantra indeed. Just set the width to the width, the height to the height, and the scale to 1 and off you go. No doubt the default values are 37, -2.8, and 143, but not necessarily in that order.

I wonder if anyone knows of a simple web "mobile simulator" that shows the result of a page in a typical mobile? Using the actual thing is a total pain.

(Different issue, but is anyone an Apache expert?)
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post Jun 25 2024, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jun 25 2024, 06:01 PM) *


I wonder if anyone knows of a simple web "mobile simulator"
that shows the result of a page in a typical mobile?



I use Firefox for my code testing and I use this procedure...

1. Click Tools
2. Click Browser Tools
3. Click Responsive Design Mode

...and, all things being equal, you should see something like this...

IPB Image

Unfortunately forums.htmlhelp.com does not use...

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<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width,height=device-height,initial-scale=1">

...which means that it does not render well on mobike devices.

Note

Google and other browsers, of course, will probably have similar tools.


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post Jun 25 2024, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jun 25 2024, 07:01 PM) *

Thanks (both)! Amazing, magic mantra indeed. Just set the width to the width, the height to the height, and the scale to 1 and off you go. No doubt the default values are 37, -2.8, and 143, but not necessarily in that order.

There's an attempt at explanation here, if anyone's interested: https://quirksmode.org/mobile/viewports2.html
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post Jun 25 2024, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(coothead @ Jun 25 2024, 09:20 PM) *

Google and other browsers, of course, will probably have similar tools.

In Vivaldi, you can go to Tools > Developer Tools, and the look for an obscure little icon at the top.
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post Jun 27 2024, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jun 25 2024, 07:01 PM) *

(Different issue, but is anyone an Apache expert?)

I doubt anyone consider themselves an Apache expert (or that I was using correct grammar there), but maybe someone could help with specific issues?
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post Jul 6 2024, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(coothead @ Jun 25 2024, 01:23 PM) *

I use Firefox for my code testing and I use this procedure...
1. Click Tools
2. Click Browser Tools
3. Click Responsive Design Mode

Never saw this before. Eh... vek zhivi - vek uchis. Similar to chrome but seems a little bit more friendly... Thanks!

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QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jun 25 2024, 07:01 PM) *

(Different issue, but is anyone an Apache expert?)

I doubt anyone consider themselves an Apache expert ...

Maybe Brian need some help with htaccess? Need to be more specific...
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post Jul 14 2024, 04:31 AM
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Thanks for the help on this... I wonder if there are any other general hints. AFAICS, using a phone means very limited navigation: you can't have tabs for a start. One way to help seems to be expandable sections; is there a neat way to do this? (Just point me at something to read, if you like.)
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post Jul 15 2024, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jul 14 2024, 01:31 PM) *

Thanks for the help on this... I wonder if there are any other general hints. AFAICS, using a phone means very limited navigation: you can't have tabs for a start. One way to help seems to be expandable sections; is there a neat way to do this? (Just point me at something to read, if you like.)


I am using details. Works.
CODE

<details>
    <summary>5. Question?</summary>
    <p>— Answer 1</p>
    <p>— Answer 2</p>
    <p>— Answer ***</p>
</details>

https://guskova.info/
https://laban.rs/r/m/chova

Links in the footer:
https://laban.rs/r/w/

And all of that is OK from the HTML point of view.
https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-ww...m_factor=mobile

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post Jul 15 2024, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE(Dag @ Jul 15 2024, 09:49 AM) *

QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jul 14 2024, 01:31 PM) *

Thanks for the help on this... I wonder if there are any other general hints. AFAICS, using a phone means very limited navigation: you can't have tabs for a start. One way to help seems to be expandable sections; is there a neat way to do this? (Just point me at something to read, if you like.)


I am using details. Works.

Let me add that no CSS or JS is necessary.

See also https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/We...Element/details
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post Jul 15 2024, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(Christian J @ Jul 15 2024, 04:35 PM) *

QUOTE(Dag @ Jul 15 2024, 09:49 AM) *

QUOTE(Brian Chandler @ Jul 14 2024, 01:31 PM) *

Thanks for the help on this... I wonder if there are any other general hints. AFAICS, using a phone means very limited navigation: you can't have tabs for a start. One way to help seems to be expandable sections; is there a neat way to do this? (Just point me at something to read, if you like.)


I am using details. Works.

Let me add that no CSS or JS is necessary.

See also https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/We...Element/details


Yep! No CSS or JS is big advantage! Something very elegant imho.
They wrote there:
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<details>
    <summary>Details</summary>
    Something small enough to escape casual notice.
</details>


I'd change this line Something small enough to escape casual notice with Anything you like (or need) here
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