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post Sep 22 2017, 03:42 PM
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My computer has broken down. Yeah, again. I just bought a very slightly used one with a lot better components that I would otherwise afford.


It comes with Win 10 (Pro), I think. The guy hated it himself and recommended me to install 7 or 8 instead. 7 seems the least annoying, but support ends in less than 3 years. 8 seems pretty horrid too. So maybe I should just go with 10?

I've read about the murder of the start menu, that updates are forced and that you have no control of what and when. Is it as bad as I've heard?

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post Oct 4 2017, 01:56 PM
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I came across this https://www.tenforums.com/customization/435...ist-header.html. Seems you can define a new theme (instead of messing with the original). Hope this might help.
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post Oct 4 2017, 04:54 PM
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Ah! Wonderful! I'm prepared to do some work once I've got things running. BTW, I had my finger on the ban button before I saw you were the poster. My eyes is always drawn to any link first. I misread and thought it said "teenforums". biggrin.gif

I'll continue to pick your brains, if I may.

I've already found that the Program Files (x86) folder isn't an entirely bad idea. I have, of course, installed programs in a folder named - taa-taa! - Programs as I've done since many years. And I've also heard that's a good idea to get around some annoyances with newer versions of Windows. I have this really old menu program called AppBar. I've dragged it from computer to computer and everything has worked straight off - until now. It's tiny bar with text based menus. I have everything I use often on it. Programs, folders, documents. I use to have it at the bottom. It autohides behind the taskbar. That didn't work. So I put it at the top of the screen instead. Everything worked, or so I thought. The paths that happened to be the same worked fine, but it turned out I couldn't edit the entries or add new one, got strange error messages. When I moved it to the x86 folder everything worked, even having it coexist with the taskbar. I'm so happy! wub.gif It's rather cool actually. I think that little program is from before Win 95 even.

To the point. I'm trying to get rid of the annoying prompts. I realize not allowing any program to run as administrator is actually a good idea. But how do I set the programs I trust to do it? Some have it in there own Options, but that doesn't seem to take. I find this little tutorial duplicated all over the web.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/always-run-a-pr...-in-windows-10/

Problem is I don't get a Shortcut tab when I rightclick an exe. I only have the ones in the screen cap and none of them have the setting I'm looking for. So is there another way to do this?

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post Oct 4 2017, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(pandy @ Oct 4 2017, 11:54 PM) *

I've already found that the Program Files (x86) folder isn't an entirely bad idea. I have, of course, installed programs in a folder named - taa-taa! - Programs as I've done since many years. And I've also heard that's a good idea to get around some annoyances with newer versions of Windows.

Probably you already know this, but I think the Programs folder is for 64 bit programs and the x86 one is for 32 bit.

You can also right-click shortcuts for older programs and make them run in compatibility mode.

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I also have problems with file associations not sticking. That seems to be common. The advice is to use Settings... Default Apps and to use the Set defaults by apps option. Problem with that, apart from sounding tedious, is that hardly any of the programs I've installed so far shows up there. Basically only FF and Adobe's programs do

Below the list there should be settings based on file type, protocol and app (how I hate that word, "app" dry.gif ).
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QUOTE(Christian J @ Oct 5 2017, 01:08 AM) *

Probably you already know this, but I think the Programs folder is for 64 bit programs and the x86 one is for 32 bit.

Yes.

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You can also right-click shortcuts for older programs and make them run in compatibility mode.


That didn't help, you see. But moving the program to x86 did. So there must be a difference.

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I also have problems with file associations not sticking. That seems to be common. The advice is to use Settings... Default Apps and to use the Set defaults by apps option. Problem with that, apart from sounding tedious, is that hardly any of the programs I've installed so far shows up there. Basically only FF and Adobe's programs do

Below the list there should be settings based on file type, protocol and app (how I hate that word, "app" dry.gif ).


I know. But there are lots of pages about this problem, since it seems very common. The consensus is that the way I described works when other ways don't. But if the "app" isn't even listed? And why aren't they listed? Some simple programs I confess that I just dragged over, but the properly installed ones aren't there either.

Another annoyance. Setting programs to run at startup doesn't always work either. Maybe because of that UAC thing?

This will drive me nuts! Anyway, two program associations now works. Several days after I did something about it, so I don't know what did the trick. Maybe information about any changes to the system needs to be sent to MS for approval before they are okeyed. ninja.gif

This is going slowly. It feels like accomplishing one thing a day is more than enough.

About apps, long ago I occasionally used that word as short for application. But nowadays one comes to think of mobile apps. And "they" makes a distinction between apps and programs. So how are apps different?
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post Oct 5 2017, 04:49 AM
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That didn't help, you see. But moving the program to x86 did. So there must be a difference.

I meant if the program didn't work in the x86 folder either.

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The consensus is that the way I described works when other ways don't.

I didn't have too much problems with associations. Maybe a couple got lost in the beginning, not sure. Perhaps Windows updates screw things up, or maybe Windows intentionally resets them in a desperate last attempt to make you try the Edge browser? laugh.gif

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But if the "app" isn't even listed?

Can't you use file type then? But if a program uses its own file extensions maybe you need to create such a file before the file type is recognized (just guessing). unsure.gif

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Maybe information about any changes to the system needs to be sent to MS for approval before they are okeyed. ninja.gif

That wouldn't surprise me at all. You did disable all the Cloud features right? Windows Defender has a couple. Also beware of any third party antivirus programs you may use, maybe they work differently in Win10.

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About apps, long ago I occasionally used that word as short for application. But nowadays one comes to think of mobile apps. And "they" makes a distinction between apps and programs. So how are apps different?

A "program" is something suspicious and complicated that you can find free on the wild web. An "app" is something safe and cool that you can buy in the app store. Seems Google and Apple started pushing the term for mobile, then it spilled over to Windows desktop as well together along with the mobile UI. Maybe Linux desktop used it earlier too, can't remember its terminology.
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post Oct 5 2017, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(Christian J @ Oct 5 2017, 11:49 AM) *

Can't you use file type then?

Point was that didn't work and when it doesn't the method where my programs don't show up is supposed to.

Of course, what I really want is that the choices made from within the program in question would stick. Every other way to do it seems cumbersome. Say, for IrfanView I want maybe 15 associations. What an ordeal do have to do them one by one. But at least some associations has started to work now. So maybe the problem will go away.


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A "program" is something suspicious and complicated that you can find free on the wild web. An "app" is something safe and cool that you can buy in the app store. Seems Google and Apple started pushing the term for mobile, then it spilled over to Windows desktop as well together along with the mobile UI. Maybe Linux desktop used it earlier too, can't remember its terminology.


I'm beginning to think there's more to it. That the apps work in a different way somehow. I haven't had the strength to dig into things that isn't essencial to get this monster running yet.

I've tried to lower the UAC settings. Turning it off totally actually works. The other setting are all the same. Dimming the desktop? I don't ever see any dimming. IPB Image

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QUOTE(pandy @ Oct 5 2017, 04:42 PM) *

I'm beginning to think there's more to it. That the apps work in a different way somehow. I haven't had the strength to dig into things that isn't essencial to get this monster running yet.

You mean Windows 10 apps in particular? Yes, if nothing else they might be part of the on-going migration from the old Control Panel to the new "Windows Settings". Some of the apps can't be uninstalled either.

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Dimming the desktop? I don't ever see any dimming. IPB Image

The Night Light? I think it only changes color temperature.

Parts of the OS is definately buggy, though. For example, I found a checkbox that once ticked it can't be unticked. wacko.gif

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Another thing. I remember you can't see the image in my sig. It's the same for me now. Windows firewall? I run the built in security suite for now.

No it appeared once I got my new computer, no idea why. Today it suddenly stopped working again, but this time it seems to be the server.
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pandy   How bad is Win 10?   Sep 22 2017, 03:42 PM
pandy   Also, I'm on my phone and won't be around ...   Sep 22 2017, 03:46 PM
Christian J   It comes with Win 10 (Pro), I think. Consider a ...   Sep 22 2017, 04:44 PM
pandy   I read that a cable connection can't be made m...   Sep 22 2017, 04:58 PM
Christian J   I read that a cable connection can't be made ...   Sep 22 2017, 06:07 PM
pandy   You are probably right and I should go with 10. It...   Sep 22 2017, 08:49 PM
pandy   I'm not good at hardware, but I think it's...   Sep 22 2017, 08:56 PM
Christian J   Looks like great specs, even for a gaming PC. Is i...   Sep 23 2017, 05:04 AM
pandy   Forgot to ask about the cooling. Haven't had a...   Sep 23 2017, 11:07 AM
pandy   And why the heck isn't it easy to change the l...   Sep 23 2017, 11:10 AM
Christian J   Thought you meant water cooled when you wrote ...   Sep 23 2017, 12:12 PM
pandy   I don't know what kinds there are. It looks l...   Sep 23 2017, 04:01 PM
Christian J   That's a CPU air cooler. Just be careful that ...   Sep 23 2017, 06:12 PM
pandy   Plan was the guy would deliver it himself on thurs...   Sep 24 2017, 07:51 AM
Christian J   You could also repair the old PC. I always keep th...   Sep 25 2017, 10:31 AM
pandy   I'll fetch it myself tomorrow. I'll spend ...   Sep 25 2017, 05:22 PM
pandy   I'll fetch it myself tomorrow. I'll spend ...   Sep 25 2017, 05:22 PM
pandy   Oh, I decided on win10. The guy will format and ma...   Sep 25 2017, 05:25 PM
pandy   Well, the computer is fast. :) But the look and ...   Sep 27 2017, 06:43 AM
pandy   Fixed the keyboard. Still sucks. Not even my belov...   Sep 27 2017, 06:53 AM
pandy   Christian, do you have Pro or some other more adva...   Sep 27 2017, 09:13 AM
Christian J   Christian, do you have Pro or some other more adv...   Sep 27 2017, 09:46 AM
pandy   Thanks. I'll look into the links tomorrow. My ...   Sep 27 2017, 06:55 PM
pandy   BTW, several years ago now I said programs had sta...   Sep 27 2017, 07:14 PM
Christian J   BTW, several years ago now I said programs had st...   Sep 28 2017, 06:56 AM
Christian J   But how? :( That looks like the old Control ...   Sep 28 2017, 05:59 AM
pandy   It leads to exactly the same page. What am I loo...   Sep 28 2017, 06:37 AM
Christian J   It leads to exactly the same page. What am I lo...   Sep 28 2017, 07:05 AM
Christian J   Well, the computer is fast. :) But the look and...   Sep 27 2017, 09:33 AM
pandy   Not sure if this one's any better: https://ww...   Sep 28 2017, 07:23 AM
Christian J   Did you find the Metered Connection setting? I...   Sep 28 2017, 10:52 AM
pandy   Yeah, I that's what I meant. It leads to exa...   Sep 28 2017, 12:37 PM
pandy   I don't know why the quotes are missed upp ei...   Sep 28 2017, 12:40 PM
Christian J   Yeah, I that's what I meant. It leads to exac...   Sep 28 2017, 01:18 PM
pandy   I have rebooted, but not done anything actively. N...   Sep 28 2017, 02:54 PM
Christian J   Now they have announced a major update, so big th...   Sep 28 2017, 03:53 PM
pandy   RE: How bad is Win 10?   Sep 28 2017, 04:03 PM
pandy   :shades: :shades: :shades: :shades: :shades: ...   Sep 28 2017, 04:58 PM
pandy   :P   Sep 28 2017, 05:01 PM
Christian J   Where did you find it? You can't choose upda...   Sep 28 2017, 04:58 PM
pandy   Where did you find it? You know I possess serio...   Sep 28 2017, 05:06 PM
pandy   Better! :D Can you explain to me how I can...   Sep 28 2017, 05:17 PM
Christian J   Talking about uninstalling, if I get rid of the s...   Sep 28 2017, 05:27 PM
pandy   Dunno. I found and installed that one right off. H...   Sep 28 2017, 05:35 PM
pandy   At least one of them is probably from the menu. Bu...   Sep 28 2017, 05:39 PM
Christian J   I almost never use the Start menu myself, so it...   Sep 29 2017, 06:49 AM
pandy   Didn't understand the code you posted, where ...   Sep 30 2017, 06:04 AM
Christian J   Just the content of the ini files. I got curious...   Sep 30 2017, 09:43 AM
pandy   I don't fully understand what solved that guys...   Oct 1 2017, 08:19 AM
pandy   This is what I mean when I say everything is white...   Oct 1 2017, 09:27 AM
Christian J   This is what I mean when I say everything is whit...   Oct 1 2017, 10:09 AM
pandy   No, all programs are like that. I don't see wh...   Oct 1 2017, 07:53 PM
Christian J   Must google how much free space Win10 needs. It a...   Oct 1 2017, 10:07 AM
Christian J   Seems you're right about Notepad's menu ba...   Oct 2 2017, 05:19 AM
jokerrules   I hear you, man. I feel like every version of Wi...   Oct 4 2017, 03:49 AM
CharlesEF   I came across this https://www.tenforums.com/custo...   Oct 4 2017, 01:56 PM
pandy   Ah! Wonderful! I'm prepared to do some...   Oct 4 2017, 04:54 PM
pandy   Oh, I think they are talking about rightclicking a...   Oct 4 2017, 05:17 PM
pandy   OK, I've set the options both on the shortcut ...   Oct 4 2017, 05:27 PM
Christian J   I've already found that the Program Files (x8...   Oct 4 2017, 06:08 PM
pandy   Probably you already know this, but I think the P...   Oct 4 2017, 08:05 PM
Christian J   That didn't help, you see. But moving the pro...   Oct 5 2017, 04:49 AM
pandy   Can't you use file type then? Point was that ...   Oct 5 2017, 09:42 AM
pandy   There are totatally idiotic answers at Windows Sup...   Oct 5 2017, 09:45 AM
pandy   Another thing. I remember you can't see the im...   Oct 5 2017, 09:47 AM
Christian J   I'm beginning to think there's more to it...   Oct 5 2017, 10:15 AM
pandy   Oh, OK. Then we both will see it soon maybe. :P ...   Oct 5 2017, 07:49 PM
Christian J   Seems the whole site is down. I don't even re...   Oct 5 2017, 08:00 PM
pandy   Sorry, I think I wrote in your post. Lucky I quote...   Oct 8 2017, 12:48 PM
Christian J   Sorry, I think I wrote in your post. Lycky I quot...   Oct 8 2017, 02:21 PM
pandy   [quote name='pandy' post='135059' date='Oct 8 201...   Oct 8 2017, 07:21 PM
Christian J   I don't think I've ever used this much ti...   Oct 9 2017, 06:07 AM
pandy   For me it was relatively painless, but maybe I ha...   Oct 9 2017, 05:38 PM
Christian J   But shouldn't screen drivers come with Window...   Oct 10 2017, 01:32 PM
pandy   You mean it didn't happen because of an updat...   Oct 13 2017, 01:05 AM
Christian J   I don't know. I haven't been notified abo...   Oct 13 2017, 04:45 AM
Christian J   Regarding the opacity, can you see the desktop wal...   Oct 12 2017, 03:22 PM
pandy   Regarding the opacity, can you see the desktop wa...   Oct 13 2017, 01:06 AM
Christian J   I can't see any icons through it. Should I? ...   Oct 13 2017, 04:46 AM
pandy   I don't. I may have set it to not be transpare...   Oct 13 2017, 05:28 AM
pandy   You also have HDD drives, don't you? I have Wi...   Oct 14 2017, 12:49 AM
Christian J   No that's not normal. Is that one of your old ...   Oct 14 2017, 04:14 AM
pandy   No that's not normal. Is that one of your old...   Oct 14 2017, 07:02 PM
Christian J   It's from my old puter. It was D there too an...   Oct 15 2017, 04:41 AM
CharlesEF   I think that delay in saving files is because Win1...   Oct 14 2017, 11:55 AM
pandy   I think that delay in saving files is because Win...   Oct 14 2017, 07:03 PM
pandy   Beep should be another word for *beep*. :shades: ...   Oct 14 2017, 07:05 PM
pandy   s*h*i*t :ninja:   Oct 14 2017, 07:06 PM
CharlesEF   [quote name='CharlesEF' post='135101' date='Oct 1...   Oct 14 2017, 08:09 PM
pandy   I meant to read it tomorrow. But I read it now. I...   Oct 14 2017, 08:44 PM
Christian J   [quote name='CharlesEF' post='135101' date='Oct 1...   Oct 15 2017, 04:45 AM
CharlesEF   Well, maybe that is not your problem after all. J...   Oct 15 2017, 11:26 AM
pandy   It can happen on E as well, it's just that I h...   Oct 15 2017, 05:52 PM
CharlesEF   Is there a chance the 2 drives have spun down (pow...   Oct 15 2017, 10:20 PM
pandy   Is there a chance the 2 drives have spun down (po...   Oct 16 2017, 05:13 AM
Christian J   Is there a setting for that, for individual drive...   Oct 16 2017, 10:11 AM
Christian J   Also pandy mentioned one of the disks were Read On...   Oct 16 2017, 04:28 AM
pandy   Also pandy mentioned one of the disks were Read O...   Oct 16 2017, 05:18 AM
pandy   Talking about that, Win10 still doesn't let me...   Oct 16 2017, 05:21 AM
pandy   Imagine I actually hated XP too at first. I was so...   Oct 16 2017, 05:27 AM
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