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tharpdevenport
post Jan 20 2007, 06:46 AM
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Just when you hink you've got it figured out well enough...

http://rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/TESTList.html


Ignore the info; I didn't want ot create a seperate page for you guys, or delete all the text, since I just plan on copying and pasting it later.

The corners, aren't working. AS you can see. Too much space above and below (on table top and bottom), and the right corners aren't showing at all.

It set the middle cell ("no producer rejected") to 100% because it was crunching the text together otherwise.


Running on IE6.

I did the same thing here, and it worked (thanks to you guys):
http://composerbase.150m.com/petertomashekresume.html


Nothing whips you back into place like making you feel dumb again. ;-)


(And YES, I know the decloration thingy isn't there ;-)

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Darin McGrew
post Jan 20 2007, 12:06 PM
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I recommend that you start by fixing the HTML errors and CSS errors reported by the online validators.
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post Jan 20 2007, 02:24 PM
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Error 503, service unavailable.
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tharpdevenport
post Jan 20 2007, 07:59 PM
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McGrew, only Line 16, c 11 and Line 61, character 732 were errors, the rest were not in HTML.

CSS errors: Don't affect what I'm doing (even though they were all right)


These online validators suck. So, can someone help?
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post Jan 20 2007, 09:40 PM
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You have a lot of structural problems in your HTML (in addition to the non-standard markup that is reported), and the validator reports "The maximum number of errors was reached. Further errors in the document have not been reported." Plus it lacks a DOCTYPE declaration, which throws browsers into quirks mode.
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post Jan 26 2007, 05:45 PM
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Can anyone help?
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post Jan 26 2007, 06:20 PM
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Yes, start with correcting all the errors. rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 26 2007, 06:22 PM
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Dear lord, make it stop.

And if all possible, smite pandy everytime he says that.

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post Jan 26 2007, 06:38 PM
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Can anyone help?
What don't you understand about the help you've already received?
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post Jan 27 2007, 04:19 PM
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None of it actually helps. It points to erros, many of which are not errors, and doesn't actually address the issue of the CORNERS.
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post Jan 27 2007, 06:59 PM
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So? What are they then? Look a lot like errors to me. happy.gif

You don't get it. There's no use messing around with code that's that broken. Do you know what errors may affect your precious corners? I think you don't. Me, I don't want to go through all the HTML and CSS and correct the errors just to get a starting point for looking at the corner problem. It isn't my responsibility. It's yours. You might actually learn a few things in the process that would make creating web pages a lot easier and quicker for you in the future. But that would be constructive. I'm getting a feeling you don't like constructive. tongue.gif
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post Jan 27 2007, 08:32 PM
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Right, it's not your responsibility. Silly me for coming to a forum titled HTML HELP.

And it doesn't take a genius to now using font-face instead of font-family, doesn't screw up a corner. And not all the code needs to be looked at.

I'll try another forum for this.

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post Jan 27 2007, 10:41 PM
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You have got help for all your questions but you discard the help if it doesn't offer an instant fix. We can't help you of you aren't willing to work with us on the problem. Sorry, but that's the truth.
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post Jan 30 2007, 12:59 PM
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No, I asked about the corners and the CSS and style sheets I am using, and no replies were about that, instead they were about HTML errors (none of which I found), and CSS errors (all of which have been repaired).

So no, my questions haven't been answered. And it's not so much of an instant fix (though that is nice), but also knowing WHY what I am doing isn't working so I dont' have this problem again.

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post Jan 30 2007, 04:18 PM
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http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%...;doctype=Inline

It has errors out the wazoo. Fix these errors, and then we can eliminate the basic stuff and help you with your real problem.

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post Jan 30 2007, 04:34 PM
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Okay, since no one will listen to me, I'll go piece by piece from the Validator:

1. Doesn't need an "iso".

2. Doctype IS there, despite what it says.

3. Is NOT mine, but code from the ads put on my site (because it is free).

The rest were either from the ads, or NOT errors.

It counted the
CODE
 
, a few thousand times as an error, which it's not; anyone who uses a space knows that.

And it's counting the closing tag
CODE
</STYLE>
as an error.

Folks, I went through it and I see NO ERRORS. Just a couple of nit picks which really don't need changing and work fine. The rest are NBSp being reported as an error.
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post Jan 30 2007, 05:45 PM
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CODE
<script language="javascript" src="http://banner.0catch.com/cgi-bin/popup_mainsite.js"></script>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Rejected Scores List Baby!</TITLE><NOBANNER>


You can't see errors in that? That part is throwing your *entire page* into quirks mode. In other words, all bets are off as to how a browser will render it. You don't put any HTML tags before a doctype. That's why the validator cannot see it.

What's a <nobanner> anyway?

Anyhow, got that? Are we listening to you now, dude? Are you listening back? Can you get off your high horse and realise that maybe us bunch of non-listeners may be on to something here?

The validator is tried and tested technology: it doesn't lie.

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post Jan 30 2007, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 01:34 PM) *
1. Doesn't need an "iso".
You haven't told the browser what character encoding to use with your document. Either configure your server to send
CODE
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
in the HTTP header rather than the
CODE
Content-Type: text/html
that it is currently sending, or if you can't do that, then include the corresponding <meta http-equiv=...> tag as described in the W3C Character encodings document.

QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 01:34 PM) *
2. Doctype IS there, despite what it says.
Yeah, but it isn't in the right place. It needs to come before everything else.

QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 01:34 PM) *
3. Is NOT mine, but code from the ads put on my site (because it is free).
Regardless of where the code comes from, it's on your page and it is breaking your page.

QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 01:34 PM) *
The rest were either from the ads, or NOT errors.
Whether or not they are from the ads, they are errors.

QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 01:34 PM) *
It counted the
CODE
&nbsp;
, a few thousand times as an error, which it's not; anyone who uses a space knows that.
That looks like an error that cascades from the missing DOCTYPE declaration to me:
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no document type declaration; will parse without validation.


QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 01:34 PM) *
And it's counting the closing tag
CODE
</STYLE>
as an error.
That's a side effect of the missing quotes in
CODE
<STYLE type=text/css>
which should be
CODE
<STYLE type="text/css">
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:21 PM
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Again, since my site is free, it puts it's own code automatically -- on every unpaid site --in the pages. When I edit the code, the Dcotype IS first, before everything else. Okay, Peter?
and the NOBANNER is a code you can put in that removes banner ads from your page (but causes more pop-ups).


thank you you, Darin, now we're getting somewhere. with that line, "Whether or not they are from the ads, they are errors.".

So folk, keeping in mind the real errors on the page are not mine, but ads put on AFTER I save a document (and are not present when editing), can someone finally please help me with what I asked for when I created this topic?


Two questions Darin, why would I need to tell the browser about character encoding when no one has ever complained about not seeing characters?

and 2: why would putting "text/css" in quotes make a difference? I normally delete that part altogether, and even then ... even then ... that doesn't affect the corners. If it did, they wouldn't be showing at all.

So, can I have some html help now?
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post Jan 30 2007, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 05:21 PM) *
When I edit the code, the Dcotype IS first, before everything else.
When the browser (or validator) receives it, the DOCTYPE declaration is not first. That's what matters.

This throws browsers into quirks mode, where they emulate the bugs of older browsers. See Activating the Right Layout Mode Using the Doctype Declaration for an explanation.

And it causes validators to parse your document without validating it. Some validators can add a default DOCTYPE declaration to the beginning of a document if there isn't one at all. But the presence of a DOCTYPE declaration in the wrong place suppresses this feature.

QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 05:21 PM) *
So folk, keeping in mind the real errors on the page are not mine
You've got your share of real errors too. When I download your page, fix the DOCTYPE declaration, and upload the file to the validator, here's what it reports:

Are you using Strict or Transitional markup? You declare Strict, but use elements, attributes, and structure that is valid only in Transitional.

You omit the required type attribute (from script and style elements).

You don't quote attribute values that need to be quoted. See the FAQ entry Should I put quotes around attribute values?

You omit the required alt attribute (from img elements). See Use of ALT texts in IMGs

You use method=LINK for forms when the only defined values are get and post

You omit the required action attribute from forms.

You use id=Sections more than once. Values for the id attribute must be unique.

You stick block-level elements like div inside inline elements like a.

I may have missed some, especially since the validator stopped reporting errors after a while.

QUOTE(tharpdevenport @ Jan 30 2007, 05:21 PM) *
So, can I have some html help now?
The rounded corner problem? It works fine for me in Opera. MSIE and Firefox look strange, but your page puts them in quirks mode. I recommend that you fix your DOCTYPE declaration so they render in standards mode.
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