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post Sep 22 2017, 03:42 PM
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My computer has broken down. Yeah, again. I just bought a very slightly used one with a lot better components that I would otherwise afford.


It comes with Win 10 (Pro), I think. The guy hated it himself and recommended me to install 7 or 8 instead. 7 seems the least annoying, but support ends in less than 3 years. 8 seems pretty horrid too. So maybe I should just go with 10?

I've read about the murder of the start menu, that updates are forced and that you have no control of what and when. Is it as bad as I've heard?

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post Sep 25 2017, 05:25 PM
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Oh, I decided on win10. The guy will format and make a fresh installation so we can test run before putting it in a box.

I think the best thing will be to use a real keyboard again and to see what I'm writing...
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post Sep 27 2017, 06:43 AM
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Well, the computer is fast. smile.gif But the look and feel of Windows 10... My eyes hurt already - not joking. All this verbose text everywhere, the colors, no proper borders, program windows float into eachother *visually*... I don\t even manage to choose the color I want on the desktop. And yeah, the keyboard settings are screwed up somehow. That\s next.

Isn\t this supposed to be fun. It isn\t. And to explain, I can\t type a question mark, prim or paranthesis. ninja.gif
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post Sep 27 2017, 06:53 AM
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Fixed the keyboard. Still sucks. Not even my beloved k-mel looks as it should. ninja.gif
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post Sep 27 2017, 09:13 AM
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Christian, do you have Pro or some other more advanced version of 10? I have Home. I find no way to make an ethernet connection metered. sad.gif

And what's with these "apps"? Just a hip word for applications/programs or more like apps on a phone?
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post Sep 27 2017, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(pandy @ Sep 27 2017, 04:13 PM) *

Christian, do you have Pro or some other more advanced version of 10? I have Home. I find no way to make an ethernet connection metered. sad.gif

I have Home too. Go to Windows Settings (the cog wheel icon) > Network & Internet > Change Connection Properties, and enable Metered Connection.

While you're at it, go to Win Update > Advanced > Choose how updates are delivered, and disable everything. There are many more similar annoyances, see the links I posted above.

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And what's with these "apps"? Just a hip word for applications/programs or more like apps on a phone?

Both, I think. The plan is likely to make users buy programs from the Windows Store (similar to Apple's and Google's walled gardens) instead of downloading free software. Most likely they try to make it more complicated and scary to download free software, and that way herd users into the Windows Store, so expect even more "security warnings" etc in the future. wacko.gif

There's also a version called Windows 10 S, where you are only allowed to install programs from the Windows Store.

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Thanks. I'll look into the links tomorrow. My head spins right now.

QUOTE(Christian J @ Sep 27 2017, 04:46 PM) *

I have Home too. Go to Windows Settings (the cog wheel icon) > Network & Internet > Change Connection Properties, and enable Metered Connection.


But how? sad.gif

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While you're at it, go to Win Update > Advanced > Choose how updates are delivered, and disable everything. There are many more similar annoyances, see the links I posted above.


Ouch, that's a nasty one.

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There's also a version called Windows 10 S, where you are only allowed to install programs from the Windows Store.


For real? And people buy that? Maybe it's meant as some kind of semi kiosk mode? If you want to give a severly demented person a computer or use it as a learning machine at kindergarten maybe this offers some kind of security and still lets them play with installing stuff. ohmy.gif

About the floating windows, I meant in my mind. Big white areas without borders, with too much text and flashy icons and everything spread out instead of ordered in nice, compact columns and sections, I can't easily separate what belongs where. It does actually hurt my eyes. They get tired. Probably I stare to try to see something that isn't there.

I don't know. I've always defended MS back in the "evil empire days". I never thought they were quite as bad as people painted them. But now I don't know. Problem is, there's nowhere to go. Linux doesn't really do it for me. I can't use my favourite programs. Yeah, I know, Wine or whatever is used these days, but it isn't the same. And many Linux programs that could be good are in eternal beta stage.

So, at the end of the day, who will own our asses the most? MS or Google? ninja.gif
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post Sep 27 2017, 07:14 PM
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BTW, several years ago now I said programs had started to look like web pages. Security related applications led the way, AV and Firewalls. Big icons, all backgrounds white or in some horrible strong color, i.e. no chrome. No menus, huge buttons instead. Now the whole freeking OS looks like that.

Speaking of icons, what happened to small, easily recognized icons in primal colors, I wonder? I don't want to study them in detail for minutes to discover what they may symbolize. Icons should be like traffic signs. High contrast, clear and stong colors and very, very easy to identify and understand.
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pandy   How bad is Win 10?   Sep 22 2017, 03:42 PM
pandy   Also, I'm on my phone and won't be around ...   Sep 22 2017, 03:46 PM
Christian J   It comes with Win 10 (Pro), I think. Consider a ...   Sep 22 2017, 04:44 PM
pandy   I read that a cable connection can't be made m...   Sep 22 2017, 04:58 PM
Christian J   I read that a cable connection can't be made ...   Sep 22 2017, 06:07 PM
pandy   You are probably right and I should go with 10. It...   Sep 22 2017, 08:49 PM
pandy   I'm not good at hardware, but I think it's...   Sep 22 2017, 08:56 PM
Christian J   Looks like great specs, even for a gaming PC. Is i...   Sep 23 2017, 05:04 AM
pandy   Forgot to ask about the cooling. Haven't had a...   Sep 23 2017, 11:07 AM
pandy   And why the heck isn't it easy to change the l...   Sep 23 2017, 11:10 AM
Christian J   Thought you meant water cooled when you wrote ...   Sep 23 2017, 12:12 PM
pandy   I don't know what kinds there are. It looks l...   Sep 23 2017, 04:01 PM
Christian J   That's a CPU air cooler. Just be careful that ...   Sep 23 2017, 06:12 PM
pandy   Plan was the guy would deliver it himself on thurs...   Sep 24 2017, 07:51 AM
Christian J   You could also repair the old PC. I always keep th...   Sep 25 2017, 10:31 AM
pandy   I'll fetch it myself tomorrow. I'll spend ...   Sep 25 2017, 05:22 PM
pandy   I'll fetch it myself tomorrow. I'll spend ...   Sep 25 2017, 05:22 PM
pandy   Oh, I decided on win10. The guy will format and ma...   Sep 25 2017, 05:25 PM
pandy   Well, the computer is fast. :) But the look and ...   Sep 27 2017, 06:43 AM
pandy   Fixed the keyboard. Still sucks. Not even my belov...   Sep 27 2017, 06:53 AM
pandy   Christian, do you have Pro or some other more adva...   Sep 27 2017, 09:13 AM
Christian J   Christian, do you have Pro or some other more adv...   Sep 27 2017, 09:46 AM
pandy   Thanks. I'll look into the links tomorrow. My ...   Sep 27 2017, 06:55 PM
pandy   BTW, several years ago now I said programs had sta...   Sep 27 2017, 07:14 PM
Christian J   BTW, several years ago now I said programs had st...   Sep 28 2017, 06:56 AM
Christian J   But how? :( That looks like the old Control ...   Sep 28 2017, 05:59 AM
pandy   It leads to exactly the same page. What am I loo...   Sep 28 2017, 06:37 AM
Christian J   It leads to exactly the same page. What am I lo...   Sep 28 2017, 07:05 AM
Christian J   Well, the computer is fast. :) But the look and...   Sep 27 2017, 09:33 AM
pandy   Not sure if this one's any better: https://ww...   Sep 28 2017, 07:23 AM
Christian J   Did you find the Metered Connection setting? I...   Sep 28 2017, 10:52 AM
pandy   Yeah, I that's what I meant. It leads to exa...   Sep 28 2017, 12:37 PM
pandy   I don't know why the quotes are missed upp ei...   Sep 28 2017, 12:40 PM
Christian J   Yeah, I that's what I meant. It leads to exac...   Sep 28 2017, 01:18 PM
pandy   I have rebooted, but not done anything actively. N...   Sep 28 2017, 02:54 PM
Christian J   Now they have announced a major update, so big th...   Sep 28 2017, 03:53 PM
pandy   RE: How bad is Win 10?   Sep 28 2017, 04:03 PM
pandy   :shades: :shades: :shades: :shades: :shades: ...   Sep 28 2017, 04:58 PM
pandy   :P   Sep 28 2017, 05:01 PM
Christian J   Where did you find it? You can't choose upda...   Sep 28 2017, 04:58 PM
pandy   Where did you find it? You know I possess serio...   Sep 28 2017, 05:06 PM
pandy   Better! :D Can you explain to me how I can...   Sep 28 2017, 05:17 PM
Christian J   Talking about uninstalling, if I get rid of the s...   Sep 28 2017, 05:27 PM
pandy   Dunno. I found and installed that one right off. H...   Sep 28 2017, 05:35 PM
pandy   At least one of them is probably from the menu. Bu...   Sep 28 2017, 05:39 PM
Christian J   I almost never use the Start menu myself, so it...   Sep 29 2017, 06:49 AM
pandy   Didn't understand the code you posted, where ...   Sep 30 2017, 06:04 AM
Christian J   Just the content of the ini files. I got curious...   Sep 30 2017, 09:43 AM
pandy   I don't fully understand what solved that guys...   Oct 1 2017, 08:19 AM
pandy   This is what I mean when I say everything is white...   Oct 1 2017, 09:27 AM
Christian J   This is what I mean when I say everything is whit...   Oct 1 2017, 10:09 AM
pandy   No, all programs are like that. I don't see wh...   Oct 1 2017, 07:53 PM
Christian J   Must google how much free space Win10 needs. It a...   Oct 1 2017, 10:07 AM
Christian J   Seems you're right about Notepad's menu ba...   Oct 2 2017, 05:19 AM
jokerrules   I hear you, man. I feel like every version of Wi...   Oct 4 2017, 03:49 AM
CharlesEF   I came across this https://www.tenforums.com/custo...   Oct 4 2017, 01:56 PM
pandy   Ah! Wonderful! I'm prepared to do some...   Oct 4 2017, 04:54 PM
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Christian J   I've already found that the Program Files (x8...   Oct 4 2017, 06:08 PM
pandy   Probably you already know this, but I think the P...   Oct 4 2017, 08:05 PM
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pandy   Can't you use file type then? Point was that ...   Oct 5 2017, 09:42 AM
pandy   There are totatally idiotic answers at Windows Sup...   Oct 5 2017, 09:45 AM
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pandy   Oh, OK. Then we both will see it soon maybe. :P ...   Oct 5 2017, 07:49 PM
Christian J   Seems the whole site is down. I don't even re...   Oct 5 2017, 08:00 PM
pandy   Sorry, I think I wrote in your post. Lucky I quote...   Oct 8 2017, 12:48 PM
Christian J   Sorry, I think I wrote in your post. Lycky I quot...   Oct 8 2017, 02:21 PM
pandy   [quote name='pandy' post='135059' date='Oct 8 201...   Oct 8 2017, 07:21 PM
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pandy   For me it was relatively painless, but maybe I ha...   Oct 9 2017, 05:38 PM
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pandy   You mean it didn't happen because of an updat...   Oct 13 2017, 01:05 AM
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pandy   Regarding the opacity, can you see the desktop wa...   Oct 13 2017, 01:06 AM
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pandy   I don't. I may have set it to not be transpare...   Oct 13 2017, 05:28 AM
pandy   You also have HDD drives, don't you? I have Wi...   Oct 14 2017, 12:49 AM
Christian J   No that's not normal. Is that one of your old ...   Oct 14 2017, 04:14 AM
pandy   No that's not normal. Is that one of your old...   Oct 14 2017, 07:02 PM
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CharlesEF   I think that delay in saving files is because Win1...   Oct 14 2017, 11:55 AM
pandy   I think that delay in saving files is because Win...   Oct 14 2017, 07:03 PM
pandy   Beep should be another word for *beep*. :shades: ...   Oct 14 2017, 07:05 PM
pandy   s*h*i*t :ninja:   Oct 14 2017, 07:06 PM
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pandy   I meant to read it tomorrow. But I read it now. I...   Oct 14 2017, 08:44 PM
Christian J   [quote name='CharlesEF' post='135101' date='Oct 1...   Oct 15 2017, 04:45 AM
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pandy   Is there a chance the 2 drives have spun down (po...   Oct 16 2017, 05:13 AM
Christian J   Is there a setting for that, for individual drive...   Oct 16 2017, 10:11 AM
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pandy   Also pandy mentioned one of the disks were Read O...   Oct 16 2017, 05:18 AM
pandy   Talking about that, Win10 still doesn't let me...   Oct 16 2017, 05:21 AM
pandy   Imagine I actually hated XP too at first. I was so...   Oct 16 2017, 05:27 AM
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