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Posted by: pandy Jul 22 2021, 11:28 AM

What's a tag? And what is considered presentational? Well, why don't we ask Tim?

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/1991SepOct/0003.html

Stumbled on that and thought it was funny how how we see and define things change and how words get a different meaning with time.

Posted by: Christian J Jul 22 2021, 02:23 PM

The whole things seems haphazard.

Posted by: pandy Jul 22 2021, 03:43 PM

Just slap them on, baby!

Another piece of history. I've often wondered why there is no HTML 1 to be found. I think this is it. "HTML Tags" (sic!) hosted by and probably developed at Cern. When W3C was founded and they took over they started off with HTML 2.0. Darin can correct me if I'm wrong. Since he's so much older than we he should know these things.

http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/Tags.html

BTW is/was there something called "dumb terminal", or is the word dumb used as we use it when we say dumb phone? See under "Line Mode Browser" here.
http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/

It's interesting to view source too...

CODE

<H2>Clients</H3>

Validators were yet to be invented.

Posted by: pandy Jul 22 2021, 05:06 PM

OK, I didn't bother to google. First hit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_terminal#Dumb_terminals

Posted by: Darin McGrew Aug 3 2021, 12:25 AM

QUOTE(pandy @ Jul 22 2021, 12:43 PM)

Another piece of history. I've often wondered why there is no HTML 1 to be found. I think this is it. "HTML Tags" (sic!) hosted by and probably developed at Cern. When W3C was founded and they took over they started off with HTML 2.0. Darin can correct me if I'm wrong. Since he's so much older than we he should know these things.

Yeah, as I recall, there was HTML (HTML 1) that was whatever the original www browser understood, and wasn't really formalized much. HTML 2.0 tried to formalize HTML as an SGML application, and define what was supported by browsers at the time. HTML 3.0 tried to map the future direction of HTML, but much of it wasn't implemented. HTML 3.2 went back to defining what was supported by browsers at the time. Then HTML 4 and HTML 5 came along.

QUOTE(pandy @ Jul 22 2021, 12:43 PM)

BTW is/was there something called "dumb terminal", or is the word dumb used as we use it when we say dumb phone?

As I recall, there were "dumb terminals" that offered no cursor control. They were basically CRT versions of teletype terminals that printed on paper.

And there were "smart terminals" that had various control codes for moving the cursor around, creating graphics, etc. Some "smart terminals" supported more "cool stuff" than others. I recall VT100 terminals being better than the other (Heathkit? Zenith? Hazeltine?) terminals, but they were all considered "smart terminals".