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Dejan
Heya guys,

im really sorry but i dont have the problem site on the net(no hosting)
hope ya willing to help me anyway, im searching for the problem for 2 days now.. glare.gif


The site is perfect in Opera and FF. But when i viewed it with IE my eyes teared.

-Text is way too big
-the menu on the left sucks(some kinda weird blue bar)
-Banner is not well

I tried to sort out with css validator, but i didnt understand

THE CSS
CODE
body {
font: 100% Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
background: #41383C;
margin: 0; /* it's good practice to zero the margin and padding of the body element to account for differing browser defaults */
padding: 0;
text-align: center; /* this centers the container in IE 5* browsers. The text is then set to the left aligned default in the #container selector */
color: #000000;
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #container {
width: 900px; /* using 20px less than a full 800px width allows for browser chrome and avoids a horizontal scroll bar */
background: #5E7D7E;
margin: 0 auto; /* the auto margins (in conjunction with a width) center the page */
border: 7px solid #5E7D7E;
text-align: left; /* this overrides the text-align: center on the body element. */
margin-top: 1px;
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #header {
background-image:url(Bannerindiaanzwart.jpg);
background-position: center center;
padding: 0 0px 0 0px; /* this padding matches the left alignment of the elements in the divs that appear beneath it. If an image is used in the #header instead of text, you may want to remove the padding. */
border-left: 1px groove #00FFFF;
border-right: 1px groove #00FFFF;
border-bottom: 2px groove #00FFFF;

}
.twoColFixLtHdr #header h1 {
margin: 0; /* zeroing the margin of the last element in the #header div will avoid margin collapse - an unexplainable space between divs. If the div has a border around it, this is not necessary as that also avoids the margin collapse */
padding: 10px 0; /* using padding instead of margin will allow you to keep the element away from the edges of the div */
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #navigatie {
float: left; /* since this element is floated, a width must be given */
width: 150px; /* the actual width of this div, in standards-compliant browsers, or standards mode in Internet Explorer will include the padding and border in addition to the width */
font-family: verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
font-weight: bold;
width: 180px;
border-right: 1px solid #666;
padding: 0;
margin-bottom: 1em;
background-color: #2B547E;
color: #000000;
}
#navigatie ul {
list-style: none;
margin-top: 0;
margin-bottom: 0;
padding: 0;
}
#navigatie ul li {
margin: 0;
border-top: 1px groove #736F6E;
}
#navigatie ul li a {
display: block;
padding: 2px 2px 2px 4px;
border-left: 20px solid #348781;
border-right: 1px solid #69c;
border-bottom: 1px solid #369;
background-color: #3EA99F;
color: #000000;
text-decoration: none;
width: 150px;
}
html>body #navigatie ul li a {
width: auto;
}
#navigatie ul li a:hover {
border-left: 10px solid #347235;
border-right: 1px solid #69c;
border-bottom: 1px solid #369;
background-color: #69f;
color: #fff;
}


.twoColFixLtHdr #mainContent {
margin: 0 0 0 200px; /* the left margin on this div element creates the column down the left side of the page - no matter how much content the sidebar1 div contains, the column space will remain. You can remove this margin if you want the #mainContent div's text to fill the #sidebar1 space when the content in #sidebar1 ends. */
padding: 0 20px; /* remember that padding is the space inside the div box and margin is the space outside the div box */
font-size:9px;

}
.twoColFixLtHdr #footer {
padding: 0 10px 0 20px; /* this padding matches the left alignment of the elements in the divs that appear above it. */
background: #348781;
border: 1px groove #00FFFF;
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #footer p {
margin: 0; /* zeroing the margins of the first element in the footer will avoid the possibility of margin collapse - a space between divs */
padding: 3px 0; /* padding on this element will create space, just as the the margin would have, without the margin collapse issue */
}
.fltrt { /* this class can be used to float an element right in your page. The floated element must precede the element it should be next to on the page. */
float: right;
margin-left: 8px;
}
.fltlft { /* this class can be used to float an element left in your page */
float: left;
margin-right: 8px;
}
.clearfloat { /* this class should be placed on a div or break element and should be the final element before the close of a container that should fully contain a float */
clear:both;
height:0;
font-size: 1px;
line-height: 0px;
}
.style2 {
color: #000000;
font-weight: bold;
}
.style3 {color: #000000}




please help wub.gif

Ciao

Deejan
Dejan
screenshots:

Wrong:(internet explorer)
IPB Image

right:(opera)
IPB Image
Darin McGrew
QUOTE
-Text is way too big
This sounds like you've adjusted your font size properly in the other browsers, but not in MSIE.

QUOTE
-Banner is not well
Is your document triggering quirks mode? MSIE gets padding and height wrong in quirks mode.
Dejan
QUOTE(Darin McGrew @ Jan 14 2009, 06:29 PM) *

QUOTE
-Text is way too big
This sounds like you've adjusted your font size properly in the other browsers, but not in MSIE.

QUOTE
-Banner is not well
Is your document triggering quirks mode? MSIE gets padding and height wrong in quirks mode.


what do u mean with triggering quirks mode?
how can i just the font to opera AND msie?
Darin McGrew
QUOTE
what do u mean with triggering quirks mode?
See Activating Browser Modes with Doctype.

QUOTE
how can i just the font to opera AND msie?
See Adjusting your text size.
Dejan
i red the page about quircks mode, but i really dont understand

i changed in my page to:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

Something have to change now? because it hasnt
Darin McGrew
Can you provide the URL (address) of a document that demonstrates the problem?
Dejan
i dont have the page hosted yet, if anyone can tell me a free quick hosting i can show you.
But i posted Screenshots above


sorry for all the questions
Dejan
QUOTE(Dejan @ Jan 15 2009, 07:29 PM) *

i dont have the page hosted yet, if anyone can tell me a free quick hosting i can show you.
But i posted Screenshots above


sorry for all the questions



hmm anyone?
Darin McGrew
URL?
Frederiek
Without seeing the code of your page online (so we also see the images), it's difficult for us to help you.
Search at google for free hosting services. Personally, I can't recommend any as I've never used one.
Dejan
heya sorry for the waiting time
I found one
have a look

http://smitska.woelmuis.nl/Our%20Bulls.html

In Opera its displayed correctly, In IE its wasted..

Thanks for ur time!
pandy
What handsome dogs! wub.gif
Never heard of Renascence Bulldogs before. I thought they were bullmastiffs.

Hm. How come the content is on top of the logo in IE? I'd have guessed postioning but you don't seem to use that. blink.gif
Dejan
sorry my english is not the best.
Can u be more specific Pandy?
Christian J
Seems the banner is a background-image of the #header DIV:

CODE
.twoColFixLtHdr #header {
    background-image:url(Bannerindiaanzwart.jpg);


An element's height may change if a user/visitor changes text size in MSIE (using View > Font Size in the browser toolbar). You can avoid that by giving div#header a fixed height (say 207px).

But I'd rather suggest using an inline image (instead of a background image) with proper ALT text:

CODE
<h1><img src="http://smitska.woelmuis.nl/Bannerindiaanzwart.jpg" width="700" height="207" alt="Bulls for life"></h1>


In any case HTML does not allow you to put P elements inside an H1 element:
CODE

    <h1><center>
   <p></p>
      <p>&nbsp;</p>
      <p>&nbsp;</p>
    </center>
    </h1>
pandy
Oh. It happens in other browsers too (except if you use page zoom)... I assumed it was an IE only problem.

QUOTE
Can u be more specific Pandy?


I was just thinking aloud. happy.gif
Dejan
Christian, thanks for your support but i dont really understand what you are saying

Can u type it again in the easiest english way?tongue.gif

thanks:)
Christian J
I tried re-phrasing my previous post. If that doesn't help, please tell which part you don't understand. unsure.gif
Dejan
where do i have to put this:
CODE<h1><img src="http://smitska.woelmuis.nl/Bannerindiaanzwart.jpg" width="700" height="207" alt="Bulls for life"></h1>

sorry :$
Christian J
QUOTE(Dejan @ Jan 26 2009, 09:34 PM) *

where do i have to put this:
CODE<h1><img src="http://smitska.woelmuis.nl/Bannerindiaanzwart.jpg" width="700" height="207" alt="Bulls for life"></h1>

Instead of the "header" DIV, perhaps? But if you do that you must change the CSS as well.


Dejan
QUOTE
<body class="twoColFixLtHdr">

<div id="container">
<div id="header">
<h1><center>
<p></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</center>
</h1>
<!-- end #header --></div>


This was it.
I made it like this:

QUOTE
<body class="twoColFixLtHdr">

<div id="container">
<h1><img src="http://smitska.woelmuis.nl/Bannerindiaanzwart.jpg" width="700" height="207" alt="Bulls for life"></h1>

<h1><center>
<p></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</center>
</h1>
<!-- end #header --></div>
<div id="navigatie">


and it looks like this:

IPB Image

I suck unsure.gif
Darin McGrew
I recommend that you start by fixing the markup errors reported by our online validator. See the links at the top and bottom of this page.
Dejan
QUOTE
Line 134, character 11:
<h1><p>
^Error: element p not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element

Line 135, character 9:
<p>&nbsp;</p>
^Error: element p not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element



How am i supposed to make a space when <p> is not allowed?


QUOTE
Line 138, character 9:
</h1>
^Error: end tag for p omitted; end tags are required in XML for non-empty elements; empty elements require an end tag or the start tag must end with />


hmm dont understand that one?

QUOTE
Line 203, character 15:
<p><center>bulldogsforlife</center>
^Error: element center not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element



How can i center the text when its not allowed to do it that way?
pandy
QUOTE
How am i supposed to make a space when <p> is not allowed?


With CSS margin or padding.


QUOTE
QUOTE
Line 138, character 9:
</h1>
^Error: end tag for p omitted; end tags are required in XML for non-empty elements; empty elements require an end tag or the start tag must end with />


hmm dont understand that one?


All elements must be closed in XHTML, while some closing tags are optional in HTML. That is, using only <p> is OK in HTML (while still a bad habit IMO). In XHTML you must write the closing tag out, <p>...</p>.



QUOTE
QUOTE
Line 203, character 15:
<p><center>bulldogsforlife</center>
^Error: element center not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element



How can i center the text when its not allowed to do it that way?


With CSS, or if you must with the align attribute for P.
http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/p.html
Dejan
QUOTE
Congratulations, no errors!


That's done biggrin.gif (Thanks Patty)
But the main problems are still there,

Lets start with the menu on the left(wrong viewed in Internet explorer)

This is my css+html

CODE
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>bulldogs</title>
<style type="text/css">
<!--
body {
font: 100% Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
background: #41383C;
margin: 0; /* it's good practice to zero the margin and padding of the body element to account for differing browser defaults */
padding: 0;
text-align: center; /* this centers the container in IE 5* browsers. The text is then set to the left aligned default in the #container selector */
color: #000000;
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #container {
width: 900px; /* using 20px less than a full 800px width allows for browser chrome and avoids a horizontal scroll bar */
background: #5E7D7E;
margin: 0 auto; /* the auto margins (in conjunction with a width) center the page */
border: 7px solid #5E7D7E;
text-align: left; /* this overrides the text-align: center on the body element. */
margin-top: 1px;
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #header {
background-image:url(Bannerindiaanzwart.jpg);
background-color:none;
background-position: center center;
padding: 0 0px 0 0px; /* this padding matches the left alignment of the elements in the divs that appear beneath it. If an image is used in the #header instead of text, you may want to remove the padding. */
border-left: 1px groove #00FFFF;
border-right: 1px groove #00FFFF;
border-bottom: 2px groove #00FFFF;

}
.twoColFixLtHdr #header h1 {
margin: 0; /* zeroing the margin of the last element in the #header div will avoid margin collapse - an unexplainable space between divs. If the div has a border around it, this is not necessary as that also avoids the margin collapse */
padding: 10px 0; /* using padding instead of margin will allow you to keep the element away from the edges of the div */
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #navigatie {
float: left; /* since this element is floated, a width must be given */
width: 150px; /* the actual width of this div, in standards-compliant browsers, or standards mode in Internet Explorer will include the padding and border in addition to the width */
font-family: verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
font-weight: bold;
width: 180px;
border-right: 1px solid #666;
padding: 0;
margin-bottom: 1em;
background:#2B547E;
background-image: none;
color: #000000;
}
#navigatie ul {
list-style: none;
margin-top: 0;
margin-bottom: 0;
padding: 0;
}
#navigatie ul li {
margin: 0;
border-top: 1px groove #736F6E;
}
#navigatie ul li a {
display: block;
padding: 2px 2px 2px 4px;
border-left: 20px solid #348781;
border-right: 1px solid #69c;
border-bottom: 1px solid #369;
background:#3EA99F;
background-image: none;
color: #000000;
text-decoration: none;
width: 100%;
}
#navigatie ul li a {
display: block;
width: auto;
}
#navigatie ul li a:hover {
border-left: 10px solid #347235;
border-right: 1px solid #69c;
border-bottom: 1px solid #369;
background-color: #69f;
background-image: none;
color: #fff;
}


.twoColFixLtHdr #mainContent {
margin: 0 0 0 200px; /* the left margin on this div element creates the column down the left side of the page - no matter how much content the sidebar1 div contains, the column space will remain. You can remove this margin if you want the #mainContent div's text to fill the #sidebar1 space when the content in #sidebar1 ends. */
padding: 0 20px; /* remember that padding is the space inside the div box and margin is the space outside the div box */
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #footer {
padding: 0 10px 0 20px; /* this padding matches the left alignment of the elements in the divs that appear above it. */
background: #348781;
border: 1px groove #00FFFF;
text-align: center;
}
.twoColFixLtHdr #footer p {
margin: 0; /* zeroing the margins of the first element in the footer will avoid the possibility of margin collapse - a space between divs */
padding: 3px 0; /* padding on this element will create space, just as the the margin would have, without the margin collapse issue */
}
.fltrt { /* this class can be used to float an element right in your page. The floated element must precede the element it should be next to on the page. */
float: right;
margin-left: 8px;
}
.fltlft { /* this class can be used to float an element left in your page */
float: left;
margin-right: 8px;
}
.clearfloat { /* this class should be placed on a div or break element and should be the final element before the close of a container that should fully contain a float */
clear:both;
height:0;
font-size: 1px;
line-height: 0px;
}
-->
</style><!--[if IE 5]>
<style type="text/css">
/* place css box model fixes for IE 5* in this conditional comment */
.twoColFixLtHdr #sidebar1 { width: 230px; }
</style>
<![endif]--><!--[if IE]>
<style type="text/css">
/* place css fixes for all versions of IE in this conditional comment */
.twoColFixLtHdr #sidebar1 { padding-top: 30px; }
.twoColFixLtHdr #mainContent { zoom: 1; }
/* the above proprietary zoom property gives IE the hasLayout it needs to avoid several bugs */
</style>
<![endif]--></head>

<body class="twoColFixLtHdr">

<div id="container">
<div id="header">

&nbsp;
&nbsp;


<!-- end #header --></div>
<div id="navigatie">
<ul>

<li><a href="/">Home</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Our Bulls </a></li>
<li><a href="/">Renascence Breedinfo</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Renascence Pictures</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Renascence Breedings</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Renascence Pups</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Renascence Specials</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Renascence Links</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Quote's about bulldogs</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Bulls for life Trophy's</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Show pictures</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Planned Shows</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Back in time pictures</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Our O.E.B's</a></li>
<li><a href="/">O.E.B Breedings</a></li>
<li><a href="/">O.E.B Specials</a></li>
<li><a href="/">O.E.B Pups</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Planned Shows</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Back in time pictures</a></li>
<li><a href="/"> O.E.B Links</a></li>
<li><a href="/">Recieved Award</a></li>
</ul>
</div>
<div id="mainContent">

<h3>Welcome to our website,</h3>



We are no high standard breeders but we will have an occasional litter,
where the male and female are well chosen for their health and beauty
Please feel free to look around here at the website, where you can find
everything about our dogs .

Left in the menu you can see that we have diffrent sections:
at the top all about Camilla's Renascences and everything that concerns
this beautyfull breed .
than a section concerning the shows we've been to and the trophy's our dogs won
And the section beneath that is all about Conchita's O.E.B's and
everything that concerns her lovely breed


Please enjoy..........Don't forget our guestbook (Gastenboek)


</div>

<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><br class="clearfloat" />
</p>
<div id="footer">
<p>bulldogsforlife</p>

<!-- end #footer --></div>
<!-- end #container --></div>
</body>
</html>


http://smitska.woelmuis.nl/index.html
pandy
What browser(s) do you see that it? Doesn't happen in IE6 or Gecko.
Dejan
Good viewed: Opera, Firefox

Bad Viewed: Internet explorer 7
pandy
OK. I'm off the hook then. Don't have IE7. biggrin.gif
Dejan
bad menu:

IPB Image

correct menu:

IPB Image
Dejan
anyone?
pandy
Oops! I actually see that in IE6.

The gaps to the left is because you haven't removed the left margin on UL. All browsers do this differently. It's best to remove all margin and padding to start with and then add back what you want. That way you don't have to remember what browser does what.

ul, li { margin: 0; padding: 0 }

In IE6 there's also gaps between each list item (or so it looks). I don't recall the fix. I'll search for it.
pandy
I'm not exactly sure what's going on with the vertical gaps in IE 6. I think it's something else than I thought. But adding either a bottom margin or padding to li works.

You could change the border-top you already have to border-bottom, or if you don't like the look of that, add a 1px bottom padding.

It's pretty bad, so you probably want to do something about it.
Click to view attachment
Dejan
I need the same result as the picture above..(my picture=> correct menu)
pandy
Don't you get that with those changes?
Dejan
could u give me the css of yours pandy?

it still looks not good

Yours:
IPB Image

Mine( ONLY IN OPERA)
IPB Image
Brian Chandler
QUOTE(Dejan @ Feb 19 2009, 06:20 AM) *


it still looks not good



Another way to improve it would be to correct all the spelling mistakes:

Quote's -> Quotes
Trophy's -> Trophies
O.E.B (?Old English Bulldog?) -> O.E.B.
O.E.B.'s -> O.E.B.s or OEBs is neater
Recieved -> Received
Dejan
Thanks brian,

Paddy i think we have misunderstanding.. Could u give me the css changes u made so i could have a look?
Dejan
would a CSS CHECK solve my viewing problems?
pandy
QUOTE(Dejan @ Feb 19 2009, 07:56 PM) *

Paddy i think we have misunderstanding.. Could u give me the css changes u made so i could have a look?


I'm happy to explain if you tell me what you don't understand.
Dejan
Im trying to get the SAME menu in IE then ive got in opera,

Ur screenshot is a other menu then what i need


THANKYOU for ur patience, im still learning
pandy
My screen shot is of YOUR menu as it looks in IE6. If you make those changes I suggested it will look OK.
Dejan
aaah now i understand pandy:)
Thanks.. I solved the gap on the left in the menu

The only problem left for the menu is the border under the words; home, Our bulls, etc..

also if u know the solution pandy, can u give me an example of the css solution... so i dont have to figure out what u really mean with your words(my bad english:P)

thanks for patience.. alot of thanks
pandy
I'm sorry. I didn't understand you had a problem with English.

QUOTE
The only problem left for the menu is the border under the words; home, Our bulls, etc..


What's the problem with it? Don't you want the border there? Or do you mean in IE6?

I don't think you have updated the online page. It looks as before in IE6.
Dejan
The border are not good in IE6 aswell in IE7.
Its only nice in opera...

http://smitska.woelmuis.nl/menutest2.html

pandy
You missed the bottom padding for IE6 (alternatively bottom border). Hopefully that fixes IE7 too.

CODE
#navigatie ul li {
margin: 0;
border-top: 1px groove #736F6E;
padding-bottom: 1px /* <== Add this! */
}
Dejan
its not working in IE7

it gives me this:
IPB Image



sad.gif

i dont need that blue border.. just a small black/grey border as u can see in page 2 in this topic(opera)
pandy
There must still be a little gap and some background color shines through. Must be the #2B547E used as background color for .twoColFixLtHdr #navigatie. Remove that and see if it looks any better.

As said, I think there is afix for this, but I can't find it.
Dejan
Done, Starting to look better but not perfect as in opera,
Are the borders in IE and opera different? because then i will never get the same result..

IPB Image
pandy
There's still a blue color there... I don't see where it comes from and I can't figure out what triggers the gap. There must be something in yur code. blink.gif
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