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pandy
My display is wonky and wonkier it gets for each day. Is there a way to find out if it's the screen or the video card that is BSODed? I haven't been able to borrow another screen, which would of course be the easiest way to find out.

It started with short, thin lines showing up in columns where there was a solid or close to solid color. Pure black, pure white and yellow weren't affected.

Now colors are garbled and solid color areas flicker (like the chrome of programs and windows, old Windows gray style).

How the problem manifests itself is affected by the display mode I choose on the screen. In Standard and sRGB mode light lines are rolling down the screen (much as it could look at a badly tuned old fat TV). If I choose Movie or Dynamics the rolling lines go away but colors look like they were designed by Disney.

The problem gets worse if I leave the computer idle. If I'm not working at it I leave a movie on so something happens on the screen.

I haven't made any changes lately, neither to the computer or its environment. Tried to turn speakers off and so on.

No biggie, I was contemplating getting a new screen anyway, so I'm thinking of getting that first, even if it's more expensive. But it's the worst time of the year, shops are jammed full with people, things get sold out and since I don't keep up with hardware it takes me some time to figure out what I want. sad.gif

WARNING: I really suck at hardware, so you need to talk to me like to a baby. cool.gif
Christian J
You could try switching OS if you have more than one, to rule out some OS/video driver issue. You could also try changing video card driver. If your motherboard has an integrated video card you might try disabling the external one.

Also check that the computer doesn't overheat after being on for a while. Maybe it's full of dust?
pandy
Alas I have only one OS now and one card. I've updated the driver, there was a newer one. Didn't change a thing. It isn't heat related. If anything it gets better over time, as long as something is happening on the screen, may it be me typing and clicking or a movie playing.

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Maybe it's full of dust?

Certainly not! Really! angry.gif tongue.gif

I think you can see the pattern och colors shifts I get on this mobile picture. I can see it when I look at it on my phone, even if smoothed out a bit. Obviously I don't know how it fares on a computer screen. Look at the browser chrome and the light-blue forum menus.

I couldn't upload it. Guess it's too large and I don't want to downsize it so here goes.
https://s24.postimg.org/v2eb2u11x/screen.jpg
pandy
And they downsized it even if I said they shouldn't. Oh well. tongue.gif
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 26 2016, 07:08 PM) *

I think you can see the pattern och colors shifts I get on this mobile picture. I can see it when I look at it on my phone, even if smoothed out a bit. Obviously I don't know how it fares an a computer screen. Look at the browser chrome and the light-blue forum menus.

Yes I can see greenish distortions on the Windows menus.

That looks like a photo of the monitor screen. Do the distortions show up on screen captures too? That should determine if they come from the PC/video card or from the monitor.
pandy
You don't see that raster pattern?

No, screen caps don't show it. I thought it always was that way. So what does that tell us? That it is the screen?

That is I don't think it shows. Wait, I'll take a screen cap and you can tell me. I can't determine if what I see is in the picture or on my screen. I uploaded one to my phone and thought it looked normal, but that was a while ago when I only had the lines.

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pandy
Here's one in Standard display mode. The other one was in Dynamic, so the colors should be more vivid than normal.

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Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 26 2016, 09:57 PM) *

You don't see that raster pattern?

Yes I do, at least on the greenish parts.

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No, screen caps don't show it. I thought it always was that way. So what does that tell us? That it is the screen?

Sounds like the screen to me (or the path to it). At least I don't think it's the video card or OS.

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Wait, I'll take a screen cap and you can tell me.

That one looks normal...
pandy
You are so clever! biggrin.gif Hmm. That's another way of saying I'm dumb, isn't it? unsure.gif

That's for the best, even if it's the most expensive option. As said, I was thinking of a new screen anyway. This is more than 7 years, so I guess it's time. I'll regret later that I didn't catch the after christmas sale, but my nerves are too fragile for that. sleep.gif

Thanks!

Of course, you realize that if I buy a new screen and the display still is garbled, it's all on your head, right? laugh.gif
pandy
Hm, what's the path to the screen? I didn't know there was such a thing. blush.gif

It's good black and white aren't affected at all. It's totally OK to write here, use my editor and so on as long as I don't let my eyes wander outside the editing area. When I go to bed and turn off the light I see this flickering pattern before my eyes before I fall asleep. Maybe I'll throw a fit or go mad or something. wacko.gif
pandy
BTW, what do you think about that screens get larger and larger but most of them keep the same resolution, 1920 x 1080? What's the use of a larger screen if the pixels are "stretched out"?

There are very few screens with a higher resolution than the above that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, but I've found a few, for instance this one. It's a little pricier than I was planning on paying.
http://www.elgiganten.se/product/datorer-t...k-uhd-led-skarm


My first screen ever was a tiny, used NEC that had a very high resolution for that time. I've never had a sharper screen. So maybe the way to go is to choose a smaller screen. Or maybe two of them. My card allow for two screens so...
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 26 2016, 11:10 PM) *

You are so clever! biggrin.gif Hmm. That's another way of saying I'm dumb, isn't it? unsure.gif

Not if I'm very clever. smile.gif

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I'll regret later that I didn't catch the after christmas sale, but my nerves are too fragile for that. sleep.gif

Don't they just offload old junk anyway?

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Of course, you realize that if I buy a new screen and the display still is garbled, it's all on your head, right? laugh.gif

Let's say I always give a full money-back guarantee on my consultations. cool.gif

Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 26 2016, 11:15 PM) *

Hm, what's the path to the screen? I didn't know there was such a thing. blush.gif

I was thinking of the monitor cable, parts of the motherboard, etc. Don't know anything about that myself.

Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 27 2016, 12:01 AM) *

BTW, what do you think about that screens get larger and larger but most of them keep the same resolution, 1920 x 1080? What's the use of a larger screen if the pixels are "stretched out"?

I suppose such screens are meant to be viewed from a larger distance. Good if you have a large desk.

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There are very few screens with a higher resolution than the above that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, but I've found a few, for instance this one. It's a little pricier than I was planning on paying.
http://www.elgiganten.se/product/datorer-t...k-uhd-led-skarm

I bought this one a year ago: https://www.komplett.se/product/838080/dato...rasharp-u2515h# and like it a lot, but the high pixel density makes everything on screen look very small, so I had to increase the DPI font scaling to 120% in Windows (which doesn't work flawlessly in older Windows versions) and also increase my browser default zoom level. The AOC screen you link seems to have even higher pixel density than my Dell screen, so keep that in mind. If you play computer games, higher resolutions may also require a more powerful video card.

pandy
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I was thinking of the monitor cable, parts of the motherboard, etc. Don't know anything about that myself.

Oh, that! Me, I'm well aware of the cable. cool.gif I thought you meant something more esoteric.
pandy
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I suppose such screens are meant to be viewed from a larger distance. Good if you have a large desk.


Maybe, but most screens are well over 20" now, so that's what people get. I do have a large desk and don't like to sit close to the monitor BTW.


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I bought this one a year ago: https://www.komplett.se/product/838080/dato...rasharp-u2515h# and like it a lot, but the high pixel density makes everything on screen look very small, so I had to increase the DPI font scaling to 120% in Windows (which doesn't work flawlessly in older Windows versions) and also increase my browser default zoom level. The AOC screen you link seems to have even higher pixel density than my Dell screen, so keep that in mind. If you play computer games, higher resolutions may also require a more powerful video card.


Hmm. That's a point. As it has been so far for me each screen I've bought has been larger than the previous one and they must have had the right resolution for their size since text has always looked OK with default settings. Are you satisfied with the screen otherwise?

It sucks shops have so little in stock nowadays. It's hard to get to actually look at the stuff before you buy. I'd also like the screen to have a stand that can be adjusted in several directions, not just tilted as it usually is. I'm tired of adjusting my chair go get my head in the right level instead of just lowering or raising the screen.
pandy
It really was quite stupid of me not to figure out the screen cap thing. It was the first thing I tried and I should have understood what it meant that the disturbance didn't show in the cap.

That's something to keep in mind. When one knows one isn't very good at something it's easy to get mental congestion and not even try to draw conclusions from the things one actually is capable of understanding.
pandy
Found an interesting page here.
http://isthisretina.com/
You may also need this (the table).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_size#...mputer_monitors

My current monitor is 23.5" (according to my tape measure). I sit about 70 cm from it, closer when I lean forward to type. I should sit at least 94 centimeters from it. That AOC screen should be good at 56 cm and the sweat spot for your screen is 74 cm.

This was also enlightening (for me).
https://pcmonitors.info/articles/the-4k-uhd...160-experience/
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 27 2016, 02:12 AM) *

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I suppose such screens are meant to be viewed from a larger distance. Good if you have a large desk.


Maybe, but most screens are well over 20" now, so that's what people get.

Also it's usually the screen width that grows, not the height.

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As it has been so far for me each screen I've bought has been larger than the previous one and they must have had the right resolution for their size since text has always looked OK with default settings.

I've noticed that images look smaller in every new monitor I've bought, e.g. my avatar on this forum is just 20x17mm large on my screen (without zooming). Each new generation of web sites use larger images to compensate, but it becomes noticeable on older sites.

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Are you satisfied with the screen otherwise?

Haven't tested or calibrated it, but to my naked eye it looks great. The stand can be adjusted in lots of ways, including up/down.

I did get some software bugs after I bought it, can't say if it's my old Vista OS, or the drivers for the screen or video card. First the screen wouldn't wake up from energy save mode, but this was fixed after using an older video driver. I still often get a black Windows login screen, I can usually type in my password but can't see anything on the login screen.

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It sucks shops have so little in stock nowadays. It's hard to get to actually look at the stuff before you buy.

Even then I've read that quality is not consistent between individual screens, especially in older models.
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 27 2016, 04:39 AM) *

Found an interesting page here.
http://isthisretina.com/

That was a practical tool. When I shopped for my screen I had to do annoying manual calculations, because manufacturers wouldn't publish proper specs. dry.gif

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Some good points there, especially about programs that can't be scaled. Some of my programs got blurred text with DPI scaling, so I've had to disable it for them individually (can be done by right-clicking the program short-cut > Properties > Compatibility).
pandy
Yes, I also started calculating PPI and wasn't sure I got it right, so that page was good.

I'm sort of thinking now that getting two screens would be the best option. One the size I have now or a little less and one smaller. Smaller are hard to find now, especially if you don't want a wide screen. I'm thinking a screen with the old proportions would be nice for the smaller one.

I spoke with a neighbor and asked if they could lend me a screen for testing. They only had their laptops. They are moving to a smaller place and had just thrown a perfectly fine really large screen away. They were going to ask me if I wanted it but decided I probably had good stuff already. Yeah. Right. My typical luck! sad.gif
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 27 2016, 11:27 PM) *

I'm sort of thinking now that getting two screens would be the best option. One the size I have now or a little less and one smaller. Smaller are hard to find now, especially if you don't want a wide screen. I'm thinking a screen with the old proportions would be nice for the smaller one.

You might rotate a wide screen into portrait mode. It also seems possible to split the video card output on two screens side by side (but of course you'll get a seam in the middle).

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I spoke with a neighbor and asked if they could lend me a screen for testing. They only had their laptops. They are moving to a smaller place and had just thrown a perfectly fine really large screen away. They were going to ask me if I wanted it but decided I probably had good stuff already. Yeah. Right. My typical luck! sad.gif

You can also connect a newer TV screen...
pandy
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You might rotate a wide screen into portrait mode.

Yeah, but that would be odd.

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It also seems possible to split the video card output on two screens side by side (but of course you'll get a seam in the middle).


Yes, that's what I meant. But maybe that's odd with different resolutions. I may try that whatever way I go now. I'm thinking the smaller screen for editor, email and that kind of things. A fairly simple screen would probably suffice.

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You can also connect a newer TV screen...


Never! I've thrown my TV out and I don't plan to start paying the license again.
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 28 2016, 01:06 AM) *

But maybe that's odd with different resolutions.

Yes you should probably use two identical models for that.

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I'm thinking the smaller screen for editor, email and that kind of things.

Might work, but if the editor screen is located on the side maybe your neck will start to hurt after a while. unsure.gif

BTW, wouldn't it be possible to connect your neighbour's laptop to your monitor for testing?

Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 28 2016, 01:06 AM) *

Never! I've thrown my TV out and I don't plan to start paying the license again.

A friend uses his TV as a computer monitor, this seems to work fine with Windows10.
pandy
Sure. But if you buy a new TV set they report you to Radiotjänst. dry.gif
And I doubt a TV is cheaper, so no reason to choose that.
pandy
What you've said about ppi and scaling got me thinking. Maybe it's better to stick with what you know. I can't find any shop with those larger resolution screens in stock so I can't have a look at them easily.

What do you think of this one? It's huge, same resolution as yours and same PPI as my current. Should mean lots of space but same size of fonts and icons as I'm used to, PPI around 93. I do feel the screen is a little crowded now.
http://www.elgiganten.se/product/datorer-t...-31-5-led-skarm
Philips doesn't feel that hot, but I don't have budget for the really hot screens anyway so...

Turns out I can borrow a half decent screen a while if I want. I may go for that option to buy some time.
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 29 2016, 05:00 AM) *

What you've said about ppi and scaling got me thinking. Maybe it's better to stick with what you know.

Yes, if you get higher PPI things will look smaller (unless you can scale them up), there's no way around that. At the same time, it's hard to tell in advance how small you can get used to. Squinting your eyes is not fun, OTOH you might squint either way: because of blurry low PPI or because of small icons when using high PPI. wacko.gif Perhaps you can lower the screen resolution if things become too small.

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What do you think of this one?

No idea. From what I've read, IPS panels are the best all-round screens (at least in these price ranges): http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

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It's huge, same resolution as yours and same PPI as my current.

...and since a larger screen is placed farther away, you can get away with lower PPI. There's no point in having a higher PPI than your eyes can notice from a given distance.

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I do feel the screen is a little crowded now.

Horizontally or vertically? Some large screens may be large in the wrong places, so to speak, e.g. with more width but no height.

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Turns out I can borrow a half decent screen a while if I want. I may go for that option to buy some time.

If it's better than your current one you'll get spoiled, then you'll need a new one that's at least as good or feel disappointed. tongue.gif

pandy
QUOTE(Christian J @ Dec 29 2016, 02:31 PM) *

No idea. From what I've read, IPS panels are the best all-round screens (at least in these price ranges): http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

Thanks. Yet another thing to learn. Seems the Philips screen uses VA that according the page you linked to is something in-between IPS and TN. unsure.gif

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It's huge, same resolution as yours and same PPI as my current.

...and since a larger screen is placed farther away, you can get away with lower PPI. There's no point in having a higher PPI than your eyes can notice from a given distance.


Yes, but there's an additional problem. I like sitting far from the screen and I have room for it. But the fact that I need glasses nowadays force me to sit at a distance at which the glasses give a sharp image... sad.gif

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I do feel the screen is a little crowded now.

Horizontally or vertically? Some large screens may be large in the wrong places, so to speak, e.g. with more width but no height.

In all directions. My current screen is much larger and have much higher res. than my previous one, so I thought I would be able to have both two and three windows open side by side, but as you know it doesn't work that way. OK, I can have two windows, but then the program windows get crowded.

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Turns out I can borrow a half decent screen a while if I want. I may go for that option to buy some time.

If it's better than your current one you'll get spoiled, then you'll need a new one that's at least as good or feel disappointed. tongue.gif


Not a chance. It's the same size with lower resolution. Probably a crap screen that was bundled with the computer.
https://www.amazon.com/HP-L2208w-22-inch-Wi...r/dp/B001622L12

I like the pivot options and other stand adjustments the Philips is capable of. I've missed that on every screen I've had. It also have some fancy feature that lets you connect several devices and display them side by side on the screen. Sound kind of cool to have your phone display up in a corner... tongue.gif
MultiView they call it.
http://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/BDM3270QP2_00...-with-multiview
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 29 2016, 03:37 PM) *

Yes, but there's an additional problem. I like sitting far from the screen and I have room for it. But the fact that I need glasses nowadays force me to sit at a distance at which the glasses give a sharp image... sad.gif

You mean you must sit closer because of the glasses? unsure.gif

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In all directions. My current screen is much larger and have much higher res. than my previous one, so I thought I would be able to have both two and three windows open side by side, but as you know it doesn't work that way. OK, I can have two windows, but then the program windows get crowded.

Sounds like a wide screen might work then, which is fortunate because that's the most common shape nowadays.

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It also have some fancy feature that lets you connect several devices and display them side by side on the screen. Sound kind of cool to have your phone display up in a corner... tongue.gif

I just wish you could access your local PC server with the phone's browsers...
pandy
[quote name='Christian J' date='Dec 29 2016, 08:55 PM' post='133459']
You mean you must sit closer because of the glasses? unsure.gif
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Yeah. You don't use glasses? Glasses for fairly close view is sharp only at a certain distance and they never get it right at to optician. Also as your sight deteriorates that distance changes. With the set I have now the reading glasses had too close optimal distance to start with so I had no put my nose in the book. Now I have to hold it away a bit. I don't use progressive glasses. Maybe those work better

[quote]Sounds like a wide screen might work then, which is fortunate because that's the most common shape nowadays.[/quote]

Have a wide screen already. And don't really like the format. Two more square screens would probably be best. But I'm going to Elgiganten to see what they have one of these days and ask about the Philips screen.

[quote]It also have some fancy feature that lets you connect several devices and display them side by side on the screen. Sound kind of cool to have your phone display up in a corner... tongue.gif[/quote]
I just wish you could access your local PC server with the phone's browsers...
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Surely you an open the server up to the world a short while?

Well, off for a late walk in my new military fur cap from the 50's. That will keep the bad guys away! ninja.gif
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 29 2016, 10:37 PM) *

I don't use progressive glasses. Maybe those work better

Maybe you should get the above sorted first. Otherwise your choice of monitor size might be based on distance requirements that will change over time anyway. unsure.gif

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Surely you an open the server up to the world a short while?

Wouldn't that be almost as much work as FTP-ing to the web server?
pandy
QUOTE(Christian J @ Dec 30 2016, 02:16 AM) *

QUOTE(pandy @ Dec 29 2016, 10:37 PM) *

I don't use progressive glasses. Maybe those work better

Maybe you should get the above sorted first. Otherwise your choice of monitor size might be based on distance requirements that will change over time anyway. unsure.gif


Obviously you don't need glasses - yet. tongue.gif It's an ongoing process. Your sight continues to deteriorate little by little and to accommodate that you change the distance to the book or screen more or less without realizing you do until one day it dawns on you you need new glasses, you get them and then it starts all over again. Basically it sucks.

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Surely you an open the server up to the world a short while?

Wouldn't that be almost as much work as FTP-ing to the web server?


Sure. But I thought you wanted to test on your own server.

Anyway, I've told my friend I want to borrow the screen. I'll get it this weekend.
pandy
FYI I just ordered the huge Philips screen which has about the same pixel density as my current one.

I went to the store to get some info and they recommended this screen over others so... But they didn't have it in stock, so I had to order online. I learned that while AMVA has a little more narrow acceptable viewing angle it has larger color depth than IPS and I thought that sounded good.

Thanks for your help, Christian. happy.gif
Christian J
You're welcome! Have you kept using the broken screen for three months? blink.gif (Not that I'm any better, my distrust in Windows 10 keeps me from ordering the new computer I need. wacko.gif )



pandy
I have. cool.gif

It was kinda accidental. It took time to get the screen I should borrow delivered (they have a car, I don't). Then I thought the holidays are over soon, no idea to bother with a borrowed screen so I canceled the whole thing. By then the screen wasn't so bad anymore. It doesn't flicker. It's just that images are very, well, grainy and smudged. It seems primary colors are alright, others not. I can stand watching the news, but not a movie. So as it happened time passed... tongue.gif
pandy
It has arrived. I'll fetch it tomorrow.

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Of course, you realize that if I buy a new screen and the display still is garbled, it's all on your head, right? laugh.gif

Let's say I always give a full money-back guarantee on my consultations. cool.gif


I'll hold you to that if the screen wasn't the problem after all. ninja.gif tongue.gif
pandy
You're off the hook. It was the screen.

*beep* it's big! I'll get "nackspärr" (wryneck?). tongue.gif And bright. I jumped when I opened my text editor and the whole screen turned white. I guess it was time to send the old one to screen heaven.

Since the pixel dentity is about the same, this screen cap should show how much extra space there is. I made the browser window 1920 x 1080.

Click to view attachment
Christian J
You could get a (almost) new GPU too, sometimes you get the investment back within a year or so from savings on the electricity bill (ditto for PSUs).

In hindsight I should have bought a 31" screen too, and placed it farther away on the desk (thus freeing up more desk space) but I was too stingy as usual. sad.gif
pandy
Nuh, computer is only about 2 years old.

GPU? I'm not sure what GPU is. Wikipedia says it's not the same as graphics card and then they start listing what I've always thought were graphics cards, like Nvidia GeForce. Maybe GPU is called graphics card in everyday language?

I'm getting used to the big desktop, but there are issues, things I need to relearn. I seldom used maximized windows before, but now it's impossible. And I need to place the window a good bit down from the top of the screen because the screen is so high I probably really would get wry neck/nackspärr if reading at the top of the screen. Or I could get a dedicated LOW computer table... A taller person wouldn't have the same problem, of course. I'm not very tall and I like to sit on a fairly low chair so that's something I should have thought about.

There are some other large screens that have other proportions. They are very wide but not so high. I thought they looked horrible, but now I'm thinking that might be the best way to go, almost like having two normal screens side by side.
Christian J
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GPU? I'm not sure what GPU is. Wikipedia says it's not the same as graphics card and then they start listing what I've always thought were graphics cards, like Nvidia GeForce. Maybe GPU is called graphics card in everyday language?

To be exact it's part of the graphics card: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_card...Processing_Unit

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I'm getting used to the big desktop, but there are issues, things I need to relearn. I seldom used maximized windows before, but now it's impossible.

Same thing here, it's increadibly annoying when you open multiple program windows and Windows positions each new one at random around the screen and not where you want them.

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Or I could get a dedicated LOW computer table...

Or a higher chair together with a foot rest?

pandy
QUOTE(Christian J @ Mar 31 2017, 03:28 AM) *

To be exact it's part of the graphics card: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_card...Processing_Unit


Yeah, that's the article I referred to. Are you sure it can be exchanged separately? Never heard of changing parts of the graphics card.

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I'm getting used to the big desktop, but there are issues, things I need to relearn. I seldom used maximized windows before, but now it's impossible.

Same thing here, it's increadibly annoying when you open multiple program windows and Windows positions each new one at random around the screen and not where you want them.


No, I meant the other way around. I don't like maximized windows but I sometime maximize for a short time. But on this screen maximized is way to much. If one just drags the window larger one needs to drag to get it smaller again too. Can't just click the title bar to toggle between your preferred size and the temporarily larger window.

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Or I could get a dedicated LOW computer table...

Or a higher chair together with a foot rest?


Not comfortable. I like to sort of move around in the chair. I'll just learn to keep my windows low.
Christian J
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Are you sure it can be exchanged separately? Never heard of changing parts of the graphics card.

No I meant the whole card, but writing "GPU" was shorter. sleep.gif

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No, I meant the other way around. I don't like maximized windows but I sometime maximize for a short time. But on this screen maximized is way to much. If one just drags the window larger one needs to drag to get it smaller again too. Can't just click the title bar to toggle between your preferred size and the temporarily larger window.

Yes, maximized have become useless: https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-large-display-paradox/ (the page mentions a customization program called WinSplit, which redirects to the non-free MaxTo).

BTW here's a test of Win10 on ultrawide screen: http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-u...itor-experience (Linux(?) desktops like Cinnamon also let you fit program windows maximized to one quadrant of the screen, or one side half).

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Not comfortable. I like to sort of move around in the chair. I'll just learn to keep my windows low.

For maximum eye comfort I recall you're supposed to be eye level with the screen's top edge. Get a lower table. smile.gif
pandy
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No I meant the whole card, but writing "GPU" was shorter. sleep.gif


rolleyes.gif

Yeah, I also found some programs that let you resize windows to specified sizes, but they all seemed too bothersome, too many steps.

Cnet claims they have the freeware version.
http://download.cnet.com/WinSplit-Revoluti...4-10971915.html

As it happens I already had it on my computer but it looks like I never got around to installing it. I'll do that now.
pandy
My version is 11.04 and it clearly states it freeware.

It seems useable. First I didn't think so because it snaps the windows to the corners, but there seems to be a feature to make it remember the position. I haven't figured out how to make the window open at the saved position though...

https://web.archive.org/web/20131210100606/...lution.com/help
pandy
I've found uses for a maximized window. I have some large tables (spreadsheets) and it's actually great to be able to get an overview without scrolling. And when looking at long lines of code in small textareas at forums. Of course in the last case it's mainly the width one needs but familiar proportions makes it easier to read.
pandy
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For maximum eye comfort I recall you're supposed to be eye level with the screen's top edge. Get a lower table. smile.gif


Yeah, I recently heard placing the screen low, I think even lower than that, also helps with dry eyes since the eye lids will cover more of the eye ball then.

Things like that may be easy peasy in an office. Not so easy at home. Especially not with a large screen. You'd need a huge table.
Christian J
QUOTE(pandy @ Apr 4 2017, 03:08 PM) *

also helps with dry eyes since the eye lids will cover more of the eye ball then.

Yes that's the point with it, AFAIK. But if the table is too high, maybe you could tilt the screen down towards you instead? Should give the same result as lowering it, except that you must raise your head, but if you lean back in the chair maybe that's not an issue. Not that I understand how you can type with any of these acrobatics. tongue.gif

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Things like that may be easy peasy in an office. Not so easy at home. Especially not with a large screen. You'd need a huge table.

Why is that? AFAIK the only need for a big table is to increase the distance to the screen, but screen height shouldn't be affected by table size, or?

Darin McGrew
At work, the default setup is a docking station with two 24-inch displays. (Some have other setups, but that's the default if you don't request something special.)

Anyway, I find that it works very nicely to have one oriented portrait mode (where I read most text content) and one oriented landscape mode (where I use MS Outlook and other apps that assume a maximized window in landscape orientation).
pandy
Yeah, two screens seems like an ideal setup in many ways, we we're talking about that earlier.

QUOTE(Christian J @ Apr 4 2017, 09:25 PM) *

Why is that? AFAIK the only need for a big table is to increase the distance to the screen, but screen height shouldn't be affected by table size, or?


But we have large screens and need the distance. Isn't the problems with big screens what we are talking about?

Of course, in theory one could use two smaller tables. One for the keyboard and hand writing and a lower one behind that for the screen. If the "writing table" is narrow enough you would still see the screen behind it even if it was lower. You could even use a stand for the screen. One of those TV stands maybe. But for me that would mean ditching another table and I don't want that. Don't have room for an additional setup.

A stand would probably be a good idea anyway, for watching movies or TV comfortably. But I've looked for that before and only found ridiculously expensive ones. Wouldn't need anything fancy, just a stand.
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