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post May 2 2010, 10:53 AM
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Has anyone any comments about Apples recent admonishment (and censorship, if you will) of Flash on its iPhone & iPad? See NY Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/technolo...lash&st=cse

Apple carries a pretty big stick and I was wondering if they could actually change the course of Flash. I wonder because I am considering the purchase of CS5 Web Premium when it is released later this month. I'am not ashamed to say that it will be a major investment for this hobbyist/freelancer at $1800.00 and well above my pay-grade's ability to fully utilize (if fully utilizing is even possible).

So, any thoughts about Flash's future, or lack thereof?


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post May 2 2010, 11:41 AM
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It's not just Apple.

Flash is a closed proprietary platform in a world wide web that is moving more and more towards open platforms.

HTML5, mobile browsers, etc., will all contribute to Flash's death.


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post May 3 2010, 10:24 PM
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Here's a somewhat official response in regards to why Flash won't be coming to an iPhone or iPad anytime soon.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

So as a developer you have to ask yourself, "do I really want to shut out a large market segment from my website?"


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post May 4 2010, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE(jimlongo @ May 3 2010, 11:24 PM) *

Here's a somewhat official response in regards to why Flash won't be coming to an iPhone or iPad anytime soon.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

So as a developer you have to ask yourself, "do I really want to shut out a large market segment from my website?"

Quite interesting. Thanks for the scoop!


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post May 4 2010, 06:50 AM
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Here's one from the Flash camp: http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/05/the-futur...sh-mobile-apps/ --I wonder if the following is correct:

"What few people realize is that while H.264 appears to be an open and free standard, in actuality it is not. It is a standard provided by the MPEG-LA consortsia, and is governed by commercial and IP restrictions, which will in 2014 impose a royalty and license requirement on all users of the technology. How can the open Web adopt a format that has such restrictions?"


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do I really want to shut out a large market segment from my website?

Which large market segment, iPhone/iPad users? I doubt the number of mobile phone browser users will ever become very large (compared with desktop/laptop/netbook browsers) due to the inconveniently small screens. I also doubt the Safari desktop browser will ever be able to outcompete the other browser vendors (and that way be able to outcompete Flash).

In any case plugins like Flash have always had various accessibility problems (including bandwidth requirements) even for users that do run it on their browsers, so I'm sure the general plugin market share will drop everytime something better (for users, advertizers or site owners) can replace the plugin. When it comes to multimedia I'm reminded of W3C's SMIL spec, though it's never had much of an impact AFAIK.


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post May 4 2010, 07:31 AM
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Which large market segment, iPhone/iPad users? I doubt the number of mobile phone browser users will ever become very large (compared with desktop/laptop/netbook browsers) due to the inconveniently small screens. I also doubt the Safari desktop browser will ever be able to outcompete the other browser vendors (and that way be able to outcompete Flash).


Only time will tell, but my guess is that mobile browsers (iWhatevers, Nexus, Android, Nokia, Motorola, HPalm, etc., ) will eventually capture a big enough market share to make you sit up and take notice.

Safari has nothing to do with this conversation. Flash works (albeit it's performance is very often pretty crappy) just fine in Safari and will continue to do so.

This post has been edited by jimlongo: May 4 2010, 07:32 AM


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post May 4 2010, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(jimlongo @ May 4 2010, 02:31 PM) *

Safari has nothing to do with this conversation. Flash works (albeit it's performance is very often pretty crappy) just fine in Safari and will continue to do so.

But that's only because Safari must support Flash, in order to compete with other browsers. If Safari was the major browser it could (and probably would) introduce its own multimedia plugin.


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post May 4 2010, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(Christian J @ May 4 2010, 08:50 PM) *

Here's one from the Flash camp: http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/05/the-futur...sh-mobile-apps/ --I wonder if the following is correct:

"What few people realize is that while H.264 appears to be an open and free standard, in actuality it is not. It is a standard provided by the MPEG-LA consortsia, and is governed by commercial and IP restrictions, which will in 2014 impose a royalty and license requirement on all users of the technology. How can the open Web adopt a format that has such restrictions?"



There's a pot-vs-kettle session going on between Apple and Adobe. Neither has any interest in an open anything, except an open hole into which other people pour money they can collect.

The real problem is the patent scam: the US patent office hands out government-sanctioned monopolies on anything you can write on a piece of paper -- and the EU and other patent offices are trying to catch up with them. So any way of arranging anything can be "owned" by a corporation; there is no freedom to write programs, except by the grace and favour of various corporate interests. Which means that unless you are big enough to pose a threat you will probably be ok, but it is not a civilised way of organising a society. There are supposed to be anything up to 10,000 patents that my web site probably infringes. Even looking at them increases the possible ransom the mob can extract, but I risked it: just googled for 'web commerce patents'.

Here's a sample ransom note:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/patent/noti...gi?NoticeID=446

And here's the text of US patent 5715314 mentioned in the ransom note:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/pdf_colle...aedff6d4b36e9c1

I do have considerable experience of translating patent specifications, and I used to do some low-level handling of office actions in a patent office, so I believe I can read it, and yes, essentially it's a government-granted monopoly on... "selling something over the internet using a cryptographic system to pass credit card information." Um, duh. And unlike real protection rackets, even if you pay you get no protection, since the extortion is perfectly legal. So the other 9,999 gangs can come after you as well. (Not quite right: there are probably only hundreds of different gangs, holding huge piles of patents each.)




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post May 4 2010, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(Christian J @ May 4 2010, 07:50 AM) *

"The Future of Web Content..."
"...will ensure that this remains a fragmented and competitive environment for many years to come."

It's true what they say about reading the first and last sentence. wacko.gif


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QUOTE(crowdogs @ May 2 2010, 05:53 PM) *

I wonder because I am considering the purchase of CS5 Web Premium when it is released later this month.

Just took a quick look at the advertizing, but it seems to be not only about creating Flash, but also an HTML and CSS editor, correct? I've never used such programs, except a couple of free ones for HTML during my very first year making web pages. I've never done any Flash, but I recall there's free software for that too.


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QUOTE(Christian J @ May 4 2010, 07:45 PM) *

QUOTE(crowdogs @ May 2 2010, 05:53 PM) *

I wonder because I am considering the purchase of CS5 Web Premium when it is released later this month.

Just took a quick look at the advertizing, but it seems to be not only about creating Flash, but also an HTML and CSS editor, correct? I've never used such programs, except a couple of free ones for HTML during my very first year making web pages. I've never done any Flash, but I recall there's free software for that too.

Yes, it is quite a package with a price to go with it, but I am tempted and the wife has given her approval (not that she wears the pants in family--letí get that straight).

It has a lot to offer: Dreamweaver, Flash Pro, Photoshop and more, all of which I am a stranger to. So I could stay entertained for some time to come or to put another way: not get anything done around the house for some time to come (she hasn't considered that I'm sure, ha!).

I am playing with a 60 day trial of Flash Builder 4 and it seems like an excellent tool for building database applications. Something I could use at my real job, and maybe get the boss to share the cost. Perhaps the whole cost. I better not say that he may read this.

I just noticed that they now have a 30 day trial of CS5 WP available. Wow, Iíll save that for the weekend. In 30 days I should know if I want to plop down $1800 for a toy (well itís cheaper than a boat).

And you know, the thing I like about Flash? It's just so darn flashy!


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