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Posted by: zojo_schwarz May 9 2012, 04:43 PM
Hi Everyone,
The menu on my homepage sometimes moves down the page, from its set position. This causes the image below it to shift too. Please see the attached screen shots for your reference.
Once I navigate away from the homepage (to another page of the website) and back again, both the menu and image are back in their normal positions and remain there until I leave the website. Sometimes refreshing the page makes them move back too. As I mentioned before, this shift only happens sometimes.
I've viewed the website through several browsers and the same issue keeps coming up.
I've run the HTML and CSS through the WC3 validators and no problems were identified. This is my first website though so I'm sure I've muddled something up.
Does anyone know what could be causing this?
Thank you in advance for your advice.
http://www.zoegraphicdesign.com/
Posted by: Christian J May 9 2012, 05:05 PM
The menu on my homepage sometimes moves down the page, from its set position. This causes the image below it to shift too.
In which browser/version?
In the meantime, these CSS pseudo-class selectors are incorrect (it should be a:link etc), but for some reason the CSS validators don't complain:
color: #000000;
text-decoration: none;
}
a visited {
color: #000000;
}
a hover {
text-decoration: none;
color: #000000;
}
Posted by: pandy May 9 2012, 07:18 PM
The validator doesn't care about element names and it thinks link, hover and visited are element names. This is probably because CSS isn't HTML specific and the element names aren't part of CSS anyway. It just checks the selector syntax and that is correct, even if the meaning is other than the intended.
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?text=gibberish++++++%7B+color%3A+red%3B+background%3A+inherit+%7D%0D%0Ahumbug+++++++++%7B+width%3A+100%25+%7D%0D%0Abosh+drool+++++%7B+color%3A+blue%3B+background%3A+inherit+%7D%0D%0A&warning=2&profile=css2&usermedium=all
Posted by: zojo_schwarz May 11 2012, 01:46 PM
Hi Christian J,
thanks for taking a look at this. I'll fix those selectors up.
The browsers I've used are Safari 5.1.5, Chrome (latest version), Firefox 4.0.1
The menu on my homepage sometimes moves down the page, from its set position. This causes the image below it to shift too.
In which browser/version?
In the meantime, these CSS pseudo-class selectors are incorrect (it should be a:link etc), but for some reason the CSS validators don't complain:
color: #000000;
text-decoration: none;
}
a visited {
color: #000000;
}
a hover {
text-decoration: none;
color: #000000;
}
Posted by: zojo_schwarz May 11 2012, 01:47 PM
Of course, that makes sense.
The validator doesn't care about element names and it thinks link, hover and visited are element names. This is probably because CSS isn't HTML specific and the element names aren't part of CSS anyway. It just checks the selector syntax and that is correct, even if the meaning is other than the intended.
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?text=gibberish++++++%7B+color%3A+red%3B+background%3A+inherit+%7D%0D%0Ahumbug+++++++++%7B+width%3A+100%25+%7D%0D%0Abosh+drool+++++%7B+color%3A+blue%3B+background%3A+inherit+%7D%0D%0A&warning=2&profile=css2&usermedium=all
Posted by: Christian J May 11 2012, 04:03 PM
Once I navigate away from the homepage (to another page of the website) and back again, both the menu and image are back in their normal positions and remain there until I leave the website. Sometimes refreshing the page makes them move back too. As I mentioned before, this shift only happens sometimes.
Maybe it happens when the logo image is slow to load? I get a similar result on a test page if I prevent the logo image from loading*. Try giving div#header an explicit height and see if that helps.
*(This only happens in Firefox, since that browser may collapse placeholders for broken images. Can't remember what happens while/before a non-broken image is loaded. My Chrome-based browser doesn't collapse broken image placeholders.)
Posted by: pandy May 11 2012, 06:14 PM
In K-Mel the menu is below the line all the time. The images are scattered all over, so I can't judge if this affects them.
Posted by: zojo_schwarz May 11 2012, 07:35 PM
Ok, I'll give that a go. Thanks for the suggestion!
Once I navigate away from the homepage (to another page of the website) and back again, both the menu and image are back in their normal positions and remain there until I leave the website. Sometimes refreshing the page makes them move back too. As I mentioned before, this shift only happens sometimes.
Maybe it happens when the logo image is slow to load? I get a similar result on a test page if I prevent the logo image from loading*. Try giving div#header an explicit height and see if that helps.
*(This only happens in Firefox, since that browser may collapse placeholders for broken images. Can't remember what happens while/before a non-broken image is loaded. My Chrome-based browser doesn't collapse broken image placeholders.)
Ok, I'll give that a go. Thanks for the suggestion!
Posted by: zojo_schwarz May 11 2012, 07:36 PM
That doesn't sound good. What's K-Mel? I'm very new to all of this.
Thanks
In K-Mel the menu is below the line all the time. The images are scattered all over, so I can't judge if this affects them.
Posted by: Christian J May 11 2012, 07:37 PM
In K-Mel the menu is below the line all the time.
Same in mine. Seems one can fix it by left-floating the logo, and then clear both floats inside div#header (after ul#nav).
Posted by: Christian J May 11 2012, 07:41 PM
K-Meleon is an old browser that pandy keeps using. 
It (K-Mel, not pandy) is based on the same layout engine (Gecko) as Firefox.
Posted by: pandy May 11 2012, 07:48 PM
Yes, sadly it's dying, I fear. But it isn't that old. It's like maybe a year and a half old Firefox. Not everyone keeps upgrading, but if you use another browser than IE it seems you are required too. Most sites that malfunction in K-Mel and any other older gecko browser works fine in IE7. Go figure...
Posted by: zojo_schwarz May 13 2012, 04:14 PM
Thanks so much for your help with my website and filling me in on K-Mel. I really appreciate you taking the time. I'm going to make those adjustments to my website asap. I'll let you know how I go.
Thanks again!
Posted by: zojo_schwarz May 14 2012, 02:35 PM
That's done the trick. Thank you so much! 
In K-Mel the menu is below the line all the time.
Same in mine. Seems one can fix it by left-floating the logo, and then clear both floats inside div#header (after ul#nav).
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