Pronounciation of GIF |
Pronounciation of GIF |
Christian J |
May 22 2013, 02:09 PM
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http://www.olsenhome.com/gif/
QUOTE "The Oxford English Dictionary accepts both pronunciations," Mr. Wilhite said. "They are wrong. It is a soft ‘G,’ pronounced ‘jif.’ End of story." Speaking of which, MySQL is allegedly named after the Swedish creator's daugther, My. AFAIK that name in turn is not pronounced like the English word "my" (or "mine"), but more like "mycelium" (I think). This post has been edited by Christian J: May 22 2013, 02:31 PM |
Brian Chandler |
May 22 2013, 10:50 PM
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Unfortunately, in English pronunciation the start of 'mycelium' is exactly the same as 'my'; and English speakers typically cannot make a (Swedish/IPA) 'y' sound anyway, and American speakers know nothing about IPA either, so they have to write something like "mew".
FWIW, I always say /maisk(w)l/, though it sounds awkward, and I say /gif/ not /djif/. The Oxford Dictionary people are actually correct though, that the pronunciation is how people actually pronounce it, not how the originator thought it _should_ be pronounced. Here's a curiosity: Imagine an English spelling game, for the five short vowels 'a', 'e', 'i', 'o', and 'u'. I say a form with 'a', like 'bat', and all you have to do is write down the five cases, which in this example are actually all words... bat bet bit bot but Or a longer example (some not actual words): sprang spreng spring sprong sprung The astonishing thing is that I can say one you can't write down... (You believe me?) |
Christian J |
May 23 2013, 06:03 AM
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English speakers typically cannot make a (Swedish/IPA) 'y' sound anyway Doesn't the "y" in "any" or "mystery" sound correct if you make it last slightly longer (like "anyyy"), or is it just my own mis-pronounciation? (Assuming you don't say "an eye" or "majstery".) QUOTE FWIW, I always say /maisk(w)l/, though it sounds awkward, and I say /gif/ not /djif/. I don't think even Swedish MySQL users use the other pronounciation, OTOH I haven't talked with many of them. I also say P-N-G and U-R-L, not "ping" or "earl". QUOTE (You believe me?) That sounds like a trap... |
pandy |
May 23 2013, 12:10 PM
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I also say P N G but I say url (as a word, Swedish pronunciation). I have no idea how it's generally pronounced or if people find my way odd. They usually don't understand what I talk about anyway.
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Brian Chandler |
May 23 2013, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE Doesn't the "y" in "any" or "mystery" sound correct if you make it last slightly longer (like "anyyy"), or is it just my own mis-pronounciation? (Assuming you don't say "an eye" or "majstery".) Don't think so. Unless I'm very confused the Scandinavian 'y' is like German u-umlaut, basically 'i' with the lips rounded. "We don't do that." QUOTE That sounds like a trap... Well, yes. You can easily write: bag beg big bog bug (all words!) strap strep strip strop strup strangle strengle stringle strongle strungle ... etc etc. But now try completing the line that starts: squaggle |
pandy |
May 23 2013, 12:20 PM
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If some of the words that creates are dirty, I don't know them.
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Brian Chandler |
May 23 2013, 01:33 PM
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Christian J |
May 23 2013, 01:54 PM
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Unless I'm very confused the Scandinavian 'y' is like German u-umlaut, basically 'i' with the lips rounded. "We don't do that." How do English-speaking pronounce "cynical" then? QUOTE But now try completing the line that starts: squaggle Based on the u or the a? Or does the trap consist of the use of two vowels? In that case I cheat by pronouncing the u silent: sqaggle sqeggle sqiggle sqoggle squggle |
Christian J |
May 23 2013, 01:56 PM
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Brian Chandler |
May 23 2013, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE squggle Two rules of English spelling: (1) 'qu' _must_ be followed by a vowel (2) You cannot have two 'u's in a row (Corollary to (2): Good job too, because if you could have two 'u's in a row it would be read "double-U", which would be a different letter altogether. "Cynical" starts exactly the same as "sin". |
Darin McGrew |
May 24 2013, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE (2) You cannot have two 'u's in a row That leaves quite a vacuum in the English language, don't you think?And FWIW, I pronounce them: GIF - [hard G] giff MySQL - my sequel JPEG - jay peg PNG - pee en jee URL - you are ell Cynical - sin ick ull |
Brian Chandler |
May 24 2013, 02:32 AM
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pandy |
May 24 2013, 02:52 AM
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sin ick ull That's a little critical of one of our ancient Swedish gods. Christian and I are deeply offended. Especially Christian since he still believes in them. |
jimlongo |
Jul 4 2013, 12:27 PM
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As long as you don't say "my sequel" you're okay in my books.
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Darin McGrew |
Jul 4 2013, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE As long as you don't say "my sequel" you're okay in my books. So how do you pronounce SQL and MySQL? |
jimlongo |
Jul 4 2013, 12:43 PM
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Personally,
SQL = Sequel as in Microsoft Sequel Server (that's what they call it so I'll go with that) sql = S-Q-L if you are talking about "structured query language" MySQL I pronounce as my-S-Q-L But I'm adaptable. I just finished working for the last 6 weeks with a very talented "Cockney" programmer who had trouble pronouncing "R"s and always referred to ULL's - you just get used to it. |
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