Unwanted space in IE Options

[Nicola]

Unwanted space appears at the bottom of web page in IE only, but only sometimes. (Generally it's when the page first loads and/or when I load a new page from the nav bar; always, when I refresh, the space goes away.) Any ideas? The page, the CSS.

[tharpdevenport]

You're CSS code is not in the source code -- can't see if somethign is wrong.

[Nicola]

There's a link to the CSS in my first post.

This post has been edited by Nicola: Mar 20 2010, 12:34 PM

[Nicola]

Also, you should be able to access the CSS by following the link in the HTML source.

[pandy]

I think you don't get any more answers because people don't see the space. I don't in IE6. What version of IE does it appear in?

[Nicola]

IE8. Here's a screen shot with the unwanted space highlighted. When I refresh the page, it goes away; but next time I load the page (especially if through the navbar), it reappears.

Edit: Someone viewing in IE7 said they didn't see this sometimes-space problem either, although they do see 2 y-scrollbars all the time. Is that true of you and IE6 too?

Anyway, this made me think of the "overflow-y:scroll" I have in the the body CSS and indeed, when I took that out, the space problem disappeared. But, if I just take it out, I'm back to facing the problem of the page-shift discussed here: index.php?showt...10833&hl=... (I guess I didn't notice this problem when I first put the overflow-y definition in? Or could it be interacting with some other change I've done in the meantime?)

This post has been edited by Nicola: Mar 22 2010, 12:46 PM

[pandy]

Edit: Someone viewing in IE7 said they didn't see this sometimes-space problem either, although they do see 2 y-scrollbars all the time. Is that true of you and IE6 too?

Yes, I do get double scrollbars. I didn't notice. The border though, in IE6 it isn't higher than the content. IE6 doesn't understand min-/max-. Also, only a small patch of the flowery border is showing in the top left corner. In my K-Mel, that is a few gecko versions behind FF, the border doesn't show at all. IN IE6 the menu links seem to be partially overlapped by the content DIV.

[Nicola]

Holy ...and the bullets margins aren't the same, and the logo is messed up... clearly I have much to work on. Thank you for revealing these problems. 2 questions: Why do people use earlier versions of browsers? and Is it possible for me to attain earlier versions of browsers (particularly IE)?

This post has been edited by Nicola: Mar 22 2010, 05:31 PM

[stjepan]

Why do people use earlier versions of browsers?

There's no answer to that. I believe some of us are masochist. I don't care about IE6 anymore.

[pandy]

There is an answer and it is yes, people use older browsers. That doesn't mean you have to make it look pretty in every old browser out that. When it comes to IE6 that still has a fairly large userbase, I'd say make it as good as you can, but dont sweat it if you can't get everything to look as desired as long as it works.

[Darin McGrew]

Why do people use earlier versions of browsers?

Some people use old tools that rely upon MSIE 6, so they can't upgrade MSIE without also upgrading the old tools. Sometimes newer versions of MSIE don't support the techniques/hacks used to make the tools work with MSIE 6, so migrating would require a redesign and a major rewrite.

Some people just don't care, as long as the web sites they visit regularly keep working.

Some people don't like the UI/features of the newer version, so they actively avoid upgrading.

Some people don't have the necessary access to update the browser.

Some people aren't really using MSIE 6, but are using a browser or user agent or automation tool that masquerades as MSIE 6. As long as the browser or user agent or automation tool works for them, they don't care what it advertises itself as.

And there are probably many other reasons out there besides these...

[stjepan]

I'm sorry if I insulted anyone here, it wasn't my intention.

[Nicola]

Thanks. Is there anywhere I can still download IE6?

Edit: By the way, I understand the text is cut off, but are those links in the nav bar functional?

This post has been edited by Nicola: Mar 23 2010, 05:43 PM

[pandy]

Evolt has some of the standalone verions in their archive. Or is there a better place to get them now?

http://browsers.evolt.org/
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/win32/standalone

Note that you should download a standalone version. They are fiddled with so they run as standalone apps, without installation. Do not try to install a normal IE version. Just one version of IE can be installed at the time on Windows and they will eat each other of you try. Also, at the time the standalones were made, there were warnings about them. They caused problems for some people. I had them all and never had any problems on my machine, but I got them from the original site.

[pandy]

I'm sorry if I insulted anyone here, it wasn't my intention.

No, of course you didn't. We aren't browser-sensitive. Browser wars are over. Peace and out.