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[Sedifus]

Can someone help me with a frameset doc?

I want to make a document so when you click on a link it will open a new page with a frame at the top and the document underneath like google's image search. But i don't want to make lots of frameset documents.

[Darin McGrew]

You could automate the process, rather than generating the frameset documents by hand.

[Sedifus]

That's what i was hoping to do but i don't know how.

Can you help?

[Darin McGrew]

What kind of programming experience do you have?

[Sedifus]

I don't have much experience, only these two:

• HTML
• CSS (A little)

[Darin McGrew]

Neither HTML nor CSS is a programming language. A lot of tasks related to maintaining large web sites will be easier if you learn to program, and if you learn a language like Perl or Python.

[Christian J]

a language like Perl or Python.

These days PHP seems to be the most popular choice, though.

[Darin McGrew]

These days PHP seems to be the most popular choice, though.

If you say so. I've never worked anywhere that used PHP. (And before you say it, yes, this site uses PHP, but no, I don't "work" here.)

[Christian J]

I've never worked anywhere that used PHP.

Me neither. I also forgot to mention ASP, which might come second after PHP. Not sure if it's possible to get any reliable stats, but according to Google the following figures apply to the text content of web pages (i.e. supposedly excluding URLs):

341,000,000 for "php"
224,000,000 for "asp"
103,000,000 for "perl"
103,000,000 for "python"
19,900,000 for "ssi"

My guess is that most pages containing these words are tutorials, code examples, forum discussions etc. Such figures may or may not say something about what "ordinary" sites use.

Looking at URLs only, Google turned up:

1,370,000,000 for ".php"
573,000,000 for ".asp"
291,000,000 for ".cgi"
191,000,000 for ".shtml"
168,000,000 for ".jsp"
52,300,000 for ".pl" (which is also the TLD of Poland).

Of course URLs will not always indicate which server-side language (if any) that was used.

[pandy]

What's in an extension?

Let me be the judge. I think PHP is the most popular langue today, as in the language most people start with. I don't think it's the most used programming language for the web.

[Brian Chandler]

What's in an extension?

Let me be the judge. I think PHP is the most popular langue today, as in the language most people start with. I don't think it's the most used programming language for the web.

Huh? What does "most used" mean? Are you saying that there are a huge number of tiny bits of programming in PHP, and a smaller number of huge bits of programming in some other language? Or what do you mean by "programming language" in this context?

[pandy]

Take a guess, Brian.

[Darin McGrew]

Hmm... PHP? ASP? I'm zero for two...

[Christian J]

What's in an extension?

As already noted by me *cough*, sometimes nothing. But 1,4 billion web pages using the .php extension (out of 25 billion pages indexed by Google in total, acccording to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_search#Search_products ) sounds like a lot to me, considering not all web pages use server-side scripting.

I think PHP is the most popular langue today, as in the language most people start with.

Agreed, and there are always more beginners than advanced users (since every advanced user was once a beginner). But are you suggesting that these beginners later switch to some other language? That's probably only true for some of the very few that later become professional programmers.

I don't think it's the most used programming language for the web.

I agree regarding large commercial sites, but such sites are not very common and their reasons for choosing a particular language may not be relevant to a beginner.

[pandy]

What's in an extension?

As already noted by me *cough*, sometimes nothing. But 1,4 billion web pages using the .php extension (out of 25 billion pages indexed by Google in total, acccording to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_search#Search_products ) sounds like a lot to me, considering not all web pages use server-side scripting.

Have you considered this could all be a global conspiracy designed to fool you? What if they are all really running ASP?

[Christian J]

Have you considered this could all be a global conspiracy designed to fool you? What if they are all really running ASP?

All that just for me? I'd be honored.

[Brian Chandler]

Take a guess, Brian.

I've no idea, really, but perhaps from you other comments you think ASP? Do you think that "professional programmers" are more likely to use M$ servers? Doesn't seem likely that this effect would even approach the number of "nonprofessional programmers" using PHP?

One problem is that it's also hard to say exactly what "using X" means for a scripting language X. It might be, for example, that 7 squillion people had all copied a standard "include" in ASP; but this would hardly count as "programming", whether professional, fixed width, or other.

Anyway I really don't know what your point is.

[pandy]

I've no idea, really, but perhaps from you other comments you think ASP?

Nope. I have no idea what language it might be, but I don't think it's PHP.

[adobaelah]

perhaps unrelated or I might need to start a new posting. But anyone knows how to run a testing server for PHP?? I had a job re-editing a website. The guy before me used PHP. I was able to get around it and finished the job, but wasnt able to run a testing browser and had to put everything on the server just to see some little update that I did. BUt out of curiosity I want to know how PHP or any cross side server works.

[pandy]

You have to install PHP and a server that supports it, for instance Apache.

http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi
http://www.php.net/downloads.php